Support and discussion for all of Akai’s modern standalone MPCs including the MPC X / X SE, MPC Live 1, 2 & 3, MPC One / One+, MPC Key 37/61.
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By Blue Monster 65 Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:37 pm
I did not mean to start an argument. The Creatures’ video was only an example to show that music can be made in many ways, including just drums and vocals. Whether anyone likes it or not is irrelevant and arguing over whether or not said music is good or not is a matter of personal taste.

One of my favorite professors said, “music is wanted - or desired - sound.” In that sense, one could consider ANYTHING that appeals to one’s hearing as music. Speech (spoken word, regardless of dialect, language or colloquialisms), natural sounds (as in nature or ambient civilization), noise (see previous) and your personal preferences for listening enjoyment are ALL music, providing one deems them as such.

I, for example, don’t care for the music of Kanye West that I’ve heard. Nor do I care for most (if any) prog rock. However, I found out just last night from my son who is a prog rock musician and fan, that West sampled King Crimson’s “21st Century Schidzoid Man” in one of his songs. That’s actually something I’d like to hear, just to see (hear) how it works (or doesn’t). Maybe I’ll like it and maybe I won’t. That doesn’t mean that it’s not music to many others.

I always think to myself, whenever I hear something I think is awful, “Every song is somebody’s favorite song.” It just doesn’t appeal to me.
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By Danoc Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:43 pm
Its not that l don't get it, it sounds like trash to me and its hot to you. There's nothing wrong with that bri. Yiu and l and othersbwill not like all the same music is my point.

Lampdog has his definition of standalone which l agree with and so do Aka which l agree with alsoi. I will not just dismiss Akai's definition because lampdog wants me to. One word can have 4 different meanings, just as a person has the right to like what they like. Its all good.

Icepulse wrote:
Danoc wrote:I didn't say nothing about someone's music. Facts! I said said when did ya here drums just drums and a SINGER and that c.r.a.p. was pulled up. So you might wanna dail back son.

I dont smoke nor drink never ever. Im sober. That ish may sound good when ya high. Lol

Dude don't you see ---> lol, lm laughing at this ish. How in the world do you think lm hot? No you're the one getting all bothered like that broad Siouxue sat on your face or something. Lmao :lol:

You call it hot music l call it wack let it go.


I'm saying you went after music y'all don't GET, by calling it C.R.A.P.

But hold up let me get my Pips collection out because why? Oh yeah I'm gonna reinvent hip hop by keeping on listening to the mahfah Pips and Sam and Dave. :lol:
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By Danoc Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:46 pm
100% Agree

Blue Monster 65 wrote:I did not mean to start an argument. The Creatures’ video was only an example to show that music can be made in many ways, including just drums and vocals. Whether anyone likes it or not is irrelevant and arguing over whether or not said music is good or not is a matter of personal taste.

One of my favorite professors said, “music is wanted - or desired - sound.” In that sense, one could consider ANYTHING that appeals to one’s hearing as music. Speech (spoken word, regardless of dialect, language or colloquialisms), natural sounds (as in nature or ambient civilization), noise (see previous) and your personal preferences for listening enjoyment are ALL music, providing one deems them as such.

I, for example, don’t care for the music of Kanye West that I’ve heard. Nor do I care for most (if any) program rock. However, I found out just last night from my son who is a prog rock musician and fan, that West sampled King Crimson’s “21st Century Schidzoid Man” in one of his songs. That’s actually something I’d like to hear, just to see (hear) how it works (or doesn’t). Maybe I’ll like it and maybe I won’t. That doesn’t mean that it’s not music to many others.

I always think to myself, whenever I hear something I think is awful, “Every song is somebody’s favorite song.” It just doesn’t appeal to me.
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By Lampdog Sun Oct 01, 2017 1:54 pm
Danoc wrote:Lampdog has his definition of standalone which l agree with and so do Aka which l agree with alsoi. I will not just dismiss Akai's definition because lampdog wants me to.


I never said that. Never cared how you viewed Akai’s definition. Never told or wanted
you to dismiss anything. I went with the dictionary meaning which no one can refute.
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By Icepulse Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:13 pm
Icepulse wrote:Yeah it's like putting someone who likes Bob Ross into a room full of Rothkos.

When I listen to **** like this...



I say damn. Kanye ain't looking at Peaches and ****'in HERB, man, when he's looking to construct those future beats. No Sam Cooke. He looks at angular jazz and the avant garde. Joy Division.

That's what I mean.


Just what I'm talking about. I hear "I don't even really listen to Kanye" and etc. then folks go on their way; never even listened.

I'm saying this. I was no fan at all of Kanye's, early on,but this beat is on another level.
And he sure as hell wasn't looking to Otis or Teddy or Ashford and Simpson. I'd say something closer to David Sylvian's "Japan" or Bill Nelson or Yellow Magic Orchestra.

You can't stick to 4/4 blues beats and soul artists and come up with stuff as innovative as # On The Board. Period.

And you'll never get there by dismissing things as "crap" the second you hear it, jus because it's not in your wheelhouse.

That's all.
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By Danoc Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:31 pm
Didn't say you said anything l am simply saying even if you want me to see it YIUR WAY ONLY l won't.

You put up the definition which actually supports Akai's def of standalone alone, didn't you read that? And you're right it can't be refuted.
Before you put up the definition of the dictionary l put up from Akai's site the definition and matches the the dictionary's meaning. NOT BOGGED TO A COMPUTER !

WHAT YOU PUT UP:

STANDALONE :
Definition of stand-alone

:self-contained; especially :operating or capable of operating independently of a computer system a stand-alone word processor!

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/stand-alone

Lampdog wrote:
Danoc wrote:Lampdog has his definition of standalone which l agree with and so do Aka which l agree with alsoi. I will not just dismiss Akai's definition because lampdog wants me to.


I never said that. Never cared how you viewed Akai’s definition. Never told or wanted
you to dismiss anything. I went with the dictionary meaning which no one can refute.
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By Danoc Sun Oct 01, 2017 2:46 pm
"Sound so soulfull " Jay z!

OTIS MUTHA F***in REDDING!




That's all.

I couldn't believe Ice you took what l said l heard in my moms house back in the 70s and 80s because l never heard of Siouxie, and and said Kanye isn't looking and what l heard.

We all know Kanye is known as a soulful sampler and Peaches and Herb and the rest got some soul samples in it.

Its all good though.
Icepulse wrote:I say damn. Kanye ain't looking at Peaches and ****'in HERB, man, when he's looking to construct those future beats. No Sam Cooke. He looks at angular jazz and the avant garde. Joy Division.

That's what I mean.
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By Blue Monster 65 Sun Oct 01, 2017 3:53 pm
One of my favorite quotes, this time from Ravel:

"With Bolero, I have created a masterpiece. Unfortunately, it contains no music."

As composers (the modern equivalent is called a "producer"), we should all be so fortunate.

I submit my personal preference list of musical history listening (no one artist/composer in particular, unless noted):

Gregorian Chant

DeBussy (Clair de Lune is a personal favorite)

Saint-Saens (Danse Macabre)

Ravel (Bolero, of course! :-D )

Faure (Pavane, Op. 50)

Satie (Gymnopedies - I must confess I arranged and performed several of these for synthesizers and sequencer as part of my final jury, so they have a special place in my memories)

musique concrete (mainly for techniques, ideas, etc.)

Steve Reich (for both music and theory)

John Adams (The Chairman Dances)

Kraftwerk (works up to and including Electric Cafe)

There are plenty of others, but these are - again - some of my favorites and inspirations. Maybe they'll give you an insight into your compositional processes?

I won't get into punk rock, swamp blues, etc. etc. That's a whole thread by myself in itself! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By Danoc Sun Oct 01, 2017 4:04 pm
Great list.

A lil list but a lot more.

1. Quincy Jones
2. Kraft Work ;-)
3. Toto
4. Beethoven
5. Herbie Hancock
6. BB King
7. VANGELIS
8. Lena Horn
9. Hans Zimmer
10. Earth, Wind & Fire
11. Barry White and his Orchestra
12. Nina Samone
13. Daft Punk

And so many more.

Blue Monster 65 wrote:One of my favorite quotes, this time from Ravel:

"With Bolero, I have created a masterpiece. Unfortunately, it contains no music."

As composers (the modern equivalent is called a "producer"), we should all be so fortunate.

I submit my personal preference list of musical history listening (no one artist/composer in particular, unless noted):

Gregorian Chant

DeBussy (Clair de Lune is a personal favorite)

Saint-Saens (Danse Macabre)

Ravel (Bolero, of course! :-D )

Faure (Pavane, Op. 50)

Satie (Gymnopedies - I must confess I arranged and performed several of these for synthesizers and sequencer as part of my final jury, so they have a special place in my memories)

musique concrete (mainly for techniques, ideas, etc.)

Steve Reich (for both music and theory)

John Adams (The Chairman Dances)

Kraftwerk (works up to and including Electric Cafe)

There are plenty of others, but these are - again - some of my favorites and inspirations. Maybe they'll give you an insight into your compositional processes?

I won't get into punk rock, swamp blues, etc. etc. That's a whole thread by myself in itself! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By Blue Monster 65 Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:04 pm
Funny, but I watched Blade Runner the other day with my sons (prepping for the new one!) and that led to a discussion of Vangelis' soundtrack, which led to much listening of his work. He also liberally borrows from the afore-mentioned list (mainly the impressionists and early 20th century composers).

My point is if you dig deeper into a composer's influences, you may just find inspiration you won't find just by listening to what they themselves are doing and you should understand what they're doing better as well.
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By Danoc Sun Oct 01, 2017 5:43 pm
True! No rebuttal on that.

Blue Monster 65 wrote:
My point is if you dig deeper into a composer's influences, you may just find inspiration you won't find just by listening to what they themselves are doing and you should understand what they're doing better as well.
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By Smackdee Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:00 pm
Producers should be open to all forms of music, listening to different chords structures,rythms,time sigs,etc can only help! Take for instance that "Creatures" track it's actually a great track to chop some Vocal stabs out of...
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By Icepulse Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:51 pm
1: Todd Rundgren
2: Roy Budd
3: Kurt Weill
4: Can
5: Idris Muhammed
6: Claude Thornhill
7: Lee Morgan
8: Vladimir Cosma (Richard Eldwyn)
9. Popol Vuh
10: Gene Clark

Here's some Can for good measure. 1972!
Unbelievable. It's pure Hip Hop