Akai Pro MPC didn't make Reverbs Top

inmusic buys ableton, and behringer buys bitwig

mr_debauch wrote:inmusic buys ableton, and behringer buys bitwig

You mean Clone, bigwig. However, I've never used it.

well they were the guys who left ableton to make a competing product right... with similar features

CharlesRandolph wrote:

Eyalc wrote:This.

I really wish Akai would leave the DAW world alone.

Can't leave the DAW alone, the games needs me.
Inmusic buys Ableton, it's really that easy.

HAHA - classic

And really, if they did buy Ableton, it’d be good for the MPC I think. Then they can just focus on the MPC instrument.

Akai aint no Roland by a long shot. Roland can afford to test the waters.
Akai messed up in 2017, putting out that limited gear. At least the X should have been blown way out!

Studio producers vs Live EDM players, would you trust having a Live on stage and your set is 75,000 people and you're paid over $350,00? Or get a reputable groove box to do that?
How many studio producers you think will buy into a new MPC? Same question for EDM?
As you see this come back l see a lot of complaints about the MPCs.

Im telling you this and my MPC is working flawlessly , think, why would l go against the grain? I could easily say Akai is the best they are the bomb...

Nah cause lma real dude! Akai is making terrible decisions for real.

Yall hope like a mug for Akai, l don't.

Frisbi wrote:Well I can see there is a return to standalone grooveboxes.
Roland just came out with new MCs, Korg is possibly working on some new Electribe, Elektron still sells good and so on.
Akai could win them all if they take care on current Mpc as standalone.
People buying standalones are an expanding market, as I can see from the trend.
Mpc Live price drops to compete with Mc707, you can see they almost have same price now.
Maybe Force has been more or less a failure, and when it came out I just asked myself, why they hell they don't focus on Mpc? It will take out resources from that.
And I was right.
I just understand that Akai is moving in a mysterious way.

Is Akai thinking the same thing? So you're saying a new MPC shouldn't have powerful DAW like features going into 2020? Well l be damn! So it would be just an electronic instrument.

If Akai feels like this a new MPC would crap and taking people's money. Not mines.

MPC-Tutor wrote:
but people are starting to get a bit unrealistic in the criticism imo, if you need powerful daw features, get a laptop and daw.

I think they were always thinking this. That's why they created controller mode. If the user wants to do more, then the user should, use a more powerful computer or buy more gear to fill in that hole.

Danoc wrote:Is Akai thinking the same thing? So you're saying a new MPC shouldn't have powerful DAW like features going into 2020? Well l be damn! So it would be just an electronic instrument.

If Akai feels like this a new MPC would **** and taking people's money. Not mines.

People were always shouting that they wanted the 'ultimate mpc', a hybrid machine that could work standalone but also tether to a computer for more powerful features, and that's what they have built.

Trying to put all that purely into standalone is unrealistic. A laptop + DAW + pad controller would be infinitely more flexible, powerful and expandable (and probably more reliable, and definitely less costly).

The MPCs already have a feature-set that on the whole completely dwarfs other standalone samplers from the likes of Elektron and Roland. Nothing is ever perfect. I do feel that no matter what Akai produce, no matter how many free updates they put out, people will still continue to complain.

Ultimately people bought these MPCs knowing what they did and didn't do, any updates have been a bonus so far. I hope all the moaners are willing to put their money where their mouth is and pay for the inevitable 3.0 upgrade fee.

Well said.

IMHO Akai have implemented a lot of what ppl have asked for.

Before Live and X, I swear, Akai's social media was full of comments like "Make another standalone"…there was a LOT of that, if anyone remembers.
Even when Ren was out, ppl were moaning about it not being a standalone.
Now there is a standalone that works pretty well, and it also offers computer power in controller mode (just wish PDC was there...I've learned to use low-latency plugins with it).
And now that that is there, ppl are asking for more and more. That will never stop.
A perfect device will never, ever exist, while a device that allows you to make music in a way that's enjoyable and fast for you can exist. Just find the right one, take it for what it is and work with it.

Ppl will always moan, feel entitled to things, and ask for more.
I think the vibe these days is constant craving for updates, and moaning about lack of them.
Also good to understand that what you mostly see on groups and forums (and this applies to all companies) is criticism: the happy users don't make much noise, so one can easily get the vibe that ppl are mostly unhappy, which is not true.

IMHO MPC should never try to be like a DAW. It can be very good at what it is: a production machine that allows for a quick workflow, but it's not trying to be a deeper editing machine etc.
And when you want to get more complex in editing, export the tracks (that's why it's made so easy) to be edited in your DAW of choice.

I've always wanted a MPC with more quality audio I/O and MIDI outs. This could've been done via ADAT, MADI, DANTE, or USB. This is what would've made the MPC a future proof, center piece for home, projects, and working studios. My thoughts are, create a machine that I will build a studio around.

1.Full Fledged Sampler
2. Incredible Sequencer/Midi Interface
3. A powerful and flexible mixer

Speaking strictly for myself, this version of the MPC, did not click any of those boxes. This does not mean, I can't create using the MPC LIVE/X, it just means that the machine will not be my centerpiece.

Exactly!

These MPCs could without doubt been more powerful, with options to add on, like ram.

In the famous words of CharlesRandolph "THE MPC IS A DAW"!

CharlesRandolph wrote:I've always wanted a MPC with more quality audio I/O and MIDI outs. This could've been done via ADAT, MADI, DANTE, or USB. This is what would've made the MPC a future proof, center piece for home, projects, and working studios. My thoughts are, create a machine that I will build a studio around.

1.Full Fledged Sampler
2. Incredible Sequencer/Midi Interface
3. A powerful and flexible mixer

Speaking strictly for myself, this version of the MPC, did not click any of those boxes. This does not mean, I can't create using the MPC LIVE/X, it just means that the machine will not be my centerpiece.

Eh, looking at the list, the trends pretty much push all the Akai stuff out...
Everything in the overall category is sub-1000 NEW with one exception, and if you remove the Elektron stuff and OP-1 - which had a fanbase that couldn't BUY it for like two years, then the rest of the list is $500 or under NEW. For the Live or X to make that list would be beyond incredible. Hell of the gear on there I know - the only comparable gear is the OP-1, which was a unique situation where the manufacture had to change the screen and the price shot up like 300 bones, the OP-Z which is cheaper (I'm not a fan at all of it personally) and the Digitakt, which undercuts the Live in price, and has other gear *even on this list* that is pairs with.

If I was Akai, I would feel indifferent about this list. I DO believe that the Live should be around $700 and the X like $1100-ish, and then they would be more inline to be on this list as the Live would be a strong competitor to the Digitakt, as someone who owns both, I'll take the MPC ANY DAY over the mechanical feeling Digitakt, but there are things to take note from the Digitakt.

I DO wonder though where the line is for profit with the MPCs, high volume at a low price, or fewer sells with a higher margin.
- Unreall

CharlesRandolph wrote:Speaking strictly for myself, this version of the MPC, did not click any of those boxes. This does not mean, I can't create using the MPC LIVE/X, it just means that the machine will not be my centerpiece.

My list isn't the same as yours, but the conclusion is identical, its why I struggle with the cost of a MPC X, it just can't be the centerpiece of my studio as things currently stand. I take that back - it could because of other purchases I've made, but in general it just needs too many other things that I don't *expect* to get.

Quietly kept though I have to give Akai kudos. Despite complaints by many here, their constant work on the platform and slew of improvements have converted me from "not getting a MPC again" to "with the right feature set, I'd love to get an upgraded MPC X".
- Unreall

Unreallystic wrote:

CharlesRandolph wrote:Speaking strictly for myself, this version of the MPC, did not click any of those boxes. This does not mean, I can't create using the MPC LIVE/X, it just means that the machine will not be my centerpiece.

My list isn't the same as yours, but the conclusion is identical, its why I struggle with the cost of a MPC X, it just can't be the centerpiece of my studio as things currently stand. I take that back - it could because of other purchases I've made, but in general it just needs too many other things that I don't *expect* to get.

Quietly kept though I have to give Akai kudos. Despite complaints by many here, their constant work on the platform and slew of improvements have converted me from "not getting a MPC again" to "with the right feature set, I'd love to get an upgraded MPC X".
- Unreall

Well, I never considered X, too big and clunky for me.
Live is now under 1000, but there are rumors it will be discontinued.
Which would be a big shame, because I don't see any competition with it.
Elektron has some limitations too, like working with mono samples and a very complicated interface.
I had Octatrack a month and sold it back.
Op1 is really not me.
The new Roland MC707 looks the only interesting competition for me but Mpc is way more powerful.
If they put new motherboard on it, allowing more powerful effects and more polyphony on synths, and more Ram to handle audio tracks, I don't see anyone could compare with Mpc.
Hopefully Akai realizes that, instead of losing time with daw integrations and splice and things like that.
I can see an Mpc really being a groove box, a daw, a midi hub and so on in the future, but not with the current motherboard.
And I don't think good motherboards are so expensive nowaday.

I agree, if I did not have other gear, I would've bought the MPC X. The people who have the disposable funds, are not buying it. Why, because the feature set, does not match the cost. Personally, I returned the X because of those things. Also why would I buy something that has the same internals as the lower price one.

I'm about specs and practical real world usage situations. So the whole hype/fomo/yolo marketing does not work on me. For the machine to be my center piece, it needs to out perform my audio interface and link most of my gear together.

Unreallystic wrote:My list isn't the same as yours, but the conclusion is identical, its why I struggle with the cost of a MPC X, it just can't be the centerpiece of my studio as things currently stand. I take that back - it could because of other purchases I've made, but in general it just needs too many other things that I don't *expect* to get.

Quietly kept though I have to give Akai kudos. Despite complaints by many here, their constant work on the platform and slew of improvements have converted me from "not getting a MPC again" to "with the right feature set, I'd love to get an upgraded MPC X".
- Unreall