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By Monotremata Sun May 17, 2020 8:10 am
I would take an S5000 over an ESI-32 any day of the week. I LOVE my E6400 Ultra but the ESI's are not an EIV. Its a repackaged EIII, and it aint that great. I had the ESI-4000 Turbo which is an ESI-2000 on steroids, which is an ESI-32 on steroids. Do not miss it. Get an EIV before you get an ESI, and definitely get an S5000 over one. Dont ever get sold on a sampler's 'effects'. They're fine if you plan on playing in preset mode, one at a time, but if you go into multimode, its just like any other synth. You get 'master effects' for everything. Its not like an Mpc Live/X/One that you can load up inserts until the cows come home.

The ESI was a budget, low man on the totem pole sampler. The S5000 was a top of line model, only bested by the bigger S6000.
By CharlesRandolph Sun May 17, 2020 12:42 pm
Monotremata wrote:I would take an S5000 over an ESI-32 any day of the week. I LOVE my E6400 Ultra but the ESI's are not an EIV. Its a repackaged EIII, and it aint that great. I had the ESI-4000 Turbo which is an ESI-2000 on steroids, which is an ESI-32 on steroids. Do not miss it. Get an EIV before you get an ESI, and definitely get an S5000 over one. Dont ever get sold on a sampler's 'effects'. They're fine if you plan on playing in preset mode, one at a time, but if you go into multimode, its just like any other synth. You get 'master effects' for everything. Its not like an Mpc Live/X/One that you can load up inserts until the cows come home.

The ESI was a budget, low man on the totem pole sampler. The S5000 was a top of line model, only bested by the bigger S6000.


100+.

The thing is OP's stated: The aim of the sampler is to sound like the classic 90s boom bap. If that's the case, all he needs is his 2000 XL, Turntable, and the records.

If it's for other use, I would recommend Akai S6000 and max out the RAM, get the USB Option Card, compact flash CF and EB20 Effects Board.
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By richie Wed May 20, 2020 1:51 am
Rafaelvargas17 wrote:Many thanks friend. This forum is helping me a lot. And just that I was asking myself: Could I get a look similar to the sp-1200 with the s5000+2000xl? Since I also have the possibility of opting for an Emu Esi-32 only for that reason. I understand that the Esi-32 has built-in effects and the s5000 does not (I would have to buy the effects card). Do you think that could be an important factor when choosing the sampler and integrating it with my 2000xl? Thanks again, seriously you have been very helpful!


No, a S5000 without an effects card isn't a factor worth worrying about, nor is upgrading from the stock 64 voice card either, you're only making hiphop after all. I'm not willing to spend upwards of 300+ for the EB20 when I could put that money to other much more interesting equipment. Get a better interface for recording your music, that's a great idea. You don't need the USB card either as I'm sure no normal person is willing to downgrade their operating system, or run a separate version of Windows in a Virtual Machine just to interface with it. (Unless I'm unaware if people are getting the USB card to work with Windows 10?) A SCSI CF card reader is the best option and there are plenty of utilities to take full .wav file sample sets and auto assign them to .akp files.

If your goal is to sound as close to the SP-1200/SP-12 with hardware, then finding an Emax 1 (not the Emax ) would be the route to take. They are however not affordable to get but thankfully the learning curve is almost nothing as the instructions are written right on the face plate.

When you start complicating things by adding hardware for 'effects' and 'filters', it only adds to convuse things in my opinion. Most of that sound that people are chasing from that boombap era (in my opinion) has to do with the way it was all recorded direct to tape and the associated artifacts of that. Not how many different pieces of rack gear for reverb effects they had running. Go get yourself a cheap Alesis Quadraverb series and choose one of the generic hall verb or delay settings.

Yes a lot of 'newer' E-mu series gear such as the E64 series, ESI-32, etc are cool and can be incorporated in modern DAW setups as all (as far as I remember) effects values can be controlled in real time over midi CC, and from minimal interaction I've had with the 32 and the E6400 ULTRA, I remember the midi CC was responding quite fast but that is a separate topic and doesn't really seem suited towards your interest in boom bap.

The thing I would suggest taking into consideration is how many pieces of gear do you think you need to essentially produce a rather simplistic form of hiphop. And that isn't even an insult to the boom bap sound, I believe you would be much happier by simply using your 2000XL and getting an 404 and using the Lo-Fi setting on it and see where that gets you before moving into the realm of rack mount equipment.
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By Monotremata Thu May 21, 2020 2:03 am
richie wrote:Yes a lot of 'newer' E-mu series gear such as the E64 series, ESI-32, etc are cool and can be incorporated in modern DAW setups as all (as far as I remember) effects values can be controlled in real time over midi CC, and from minimal interaction I've had with the 32 and the E6400 ULTRA, I remember the midi CC was responding quite fast but that is a separate topic and doesn't really seem suited towards your interest in boom bap.


Yeah I wouldn't really put the ESI or the E4s in the boom bap club. Soundwise, they can do it but those things are the drum and bass darlings out of the box. Drop a sampled Reese in the 6400 Ultra, overdrive the shit out of a Mackie preamp and EQ, add the Emu low pass or get crazy and map out the peak/shelf morph filter, resample, rinse, repeat.. Its the late 90s dance sound, hip hop was still keeping it real with the old guard of samplers and the 2000xl back then. They're not really that easy to integrate either. Still have to use some sort of SCSI setup as always. They just happen to work with very little if any setup with a SCSI2SD drive. I just pop an SD card in with some wav files and go. The Ultras do have one advantage though, if you have one with EOS 4.7 it support native FAT volumes. I can pop the hard drive out whenever I want and throw it right in a PC/Mac and read it, and its nothing to move my SD card in between the Emu and the Mac and add stuff to it/organize banks/etc.

You pretty much already got the standard issue gear though. The 2000 and your turntable will make it happen in no time. Maybe pick up an old Alesis Quadraverb/MIDIVerb or Boss SE box so you can add some effects if you want, you'll be right at home. You can get both the Alesis's for $100 and change all day long, and the Boss SE's are usually the same price. Hell find somebody selling a 'broken' one thats got all the patch names scrambled, put a new battery in it and bam. Got an SE-50 for $25 that way. And yep I was a total dick and bought it without telling the guy 'You know all it needs is..'
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By richie Thu May 21, 2020 5:00 pm
@Monotremata

What I've seen done on the E64 series (I cannot remember which one had active internal IDE connectors) but what you can do is get a sata to ide adapter, then a SATA 2.5" swap adapters that fit in the floppy drive slot. And just pull it out whenever you want to mount it on your PC. Funny thing is, the cost involved to get what I mentioned is almost the same as ordering the SCSI2SD with the 3.5" bracket anyway.

I know EXACTLY what you're talking about with the Mackie preamp/gain as I saw the exact same sh*t done from some Junglist heads here. They were basically modulating the filter through midi cc while driving the in on the Mackie. I feel like I'm missing something where they may have used an insert as well to get feedback distortion. I tried it at home as I have a couple Mackie 1402 VLZ's and it worked out and was surprised at how hard audio can be driven before distortion. I never used this technique in any production as it never fit for me. It was because of learning this that I had picked up an Alesis compressor, thinking it might motivate me to try some new creative things, it hasn't yet as I still haven't plugged it in honestly.

The Quadraverb is one of the best deals out. Also for $20-25 you can get a ROM upgrade to convert the QV to the QV+ to get the new presets. Try also looking into the Lexicon LXP-15 as there are a lot of great presets and is still cheaper than shelling out $750+ for an Ensoniq DP/4. What you did about the battery was kind pff but I get where you're coming from. If they didn't care enough to try the minimum to change the CR2032 then its fair game.

For anyone else interested, some reverb units in line with "boom bap" or quite frankly anything worth looking into due to reasonable prices ($75-200 USD range). Everything listed below is easy to sell off when you get bored of them.

Alesis Quadraverb (get the standard one as the Quadraverb + is literally a regular version with a new faceplate and EPROM upgrade)
Alesis Quadraverb 2
Alesis Quadraverb GT (this one is more themed to guitar effects / distortion but I believe you can upload the regular QV series presets over sysex if anything)
Digitech DSP 256 / 256 XL.
Lexicon LXP-1
Lexicon LXP-15 (try finding the regular LXP-15 first, the II is literally the standard one with a new faceplate and ROM upgrade. This unit also has several Lexicon 480L series algorithms programmed in it. Great alternative to get creative instead of dropping $5-7 grand for a 480 / 480L unit)
Lexicon MPX-1

If anyone else has any other ideas, please share.