Technical questions for the MPC2000xl and the MPC2000

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By weezlemeez Wed Feb 02, 2005 10:04 pm
what is a break exactly? i think i know but i need to be sure. please be specific. and if you could, give me an example. an example from any one of the most popular east coast artists who recently put out an album. eg. 50 cent's- get rich... track 2, after his first verse.....

thanks
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By trupro Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:03 pm
Really, it refers to the term 'breakdown'. This could mean a variety of things,
but it's usually a dynamic and/or speed change with mutes.
Like, a disco song that say has, drums percussion, bass, strings, guitar,
and horns. At the break, the producer might have told the engineer:
"Alright, let's mute everything but the kick, bongos, hi hat, bass,
and trumpet line. That's a breakdown. It could be the opposite, like dropping all the percussion and going all strings; whatever.
So a breakbeat' in hiphop esthetic, started with signature
percussion breakdowns from records that were selected for
that characteristic. When you buy a loop CD with 'classic jungle breaks'
it's usually percussion, maybe with some bass,etc. But these are
breaks becuase they are the raw component and example of the breakdown section. you wouldn't run that over and over; it's an addition or
subtraction of the whole. Unless, that is, you are spinning on
linoleum, or battling to a hot break. Then you can loop that
for as long as it takes to get the point accross. Hmm, can't think of
an example from a 50 record, Cus I don't know if it's a breakbeat sample or a break in the arrangements that you are curious about. Easy to spot, tho.
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By featherboy Wed Feb 02, 2005 11:05 pm
A break ....... I don't know exactly how old the term is, it might even go back to the 1920's, but it is when most of the musicians in a band or orchestra get to rest for a few bars while the drummer & perhaps a bass player or percussionist keep the beat going. So it is a break as in a short rest.

However, because it is the drummer's chance to really get noticed, they put a little bit extra into the break, which is why if you are listening, & dancing, to the beat of a band or record the break becomes a special thing .... like a revelation.

Right .... someone else has to continue the story, at least as far as Kool Herc & breakdancing.
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By mpc4000xl Thu Feb 03, 2005 1:41 am
Truth Be told the B-boy was a shortened form 4 the word "Breakboy"


These were Perfect for The house Jamz Where A DJ ................

Whom most had little more than 2 turntables 1 mic speakers and an amp
U would Rock that Phrase back on da 1s and 2s........................


Word To Grandpa BAM


4 R E A L :!: :!: :!: :!:
By weezlemeez Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:48 pm
yo thanks for the help. the insight is appreciated. but what about modern hip hop breaks? how would you design a break sequence on the mpc? is it a 1 bar before the hook? or is it the break down after the third hook? youknowwhatimsayin?
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By dubmunkey Thu Feb 03, 2005 3:57 pm
nah your overanalysing- break means simply htat hte band have a break and the drummer gives it some- dont count bars just wait till its just the durmmer playing- thats the break- therefore any drumloop you program could be called a break....just call them beats mate- makes life a lot easier :D

greg
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By trupro Thu Feb 03, 2005 5:34 pm
Standard arrangements are good as long as the music is good.
Changes are there to make the music more interesting.
So, whenever you think it needs a change here or an accent there,
then do it. A breakdown might be used something like this for a
pop song song:

intro/ buildup (4 to 8 bars) - verse (8 bars) - chorus (4-8bars) -
verse (8 bars over A part/ 8 bars over change) - Chorus (4 bars) - Breakdown (4bars) - verse (8-12 bars) Chorus (4 bars) -
B Chorus (4 bars) - Chorus/Vamp out (w/ fade)

Don't get me wrong, it's just an example. But when you listen to a song,
and your like, "man, this sh!t is getting boring" then the verse was too long, or there wasn't a change, breakdown or whatever in the right place for that song. Don't be afraid to shorten sections by bringing in your breakdown at the right time; like where it feels the best; where it sounds like it belongs. Could happen right after the intro, and build a little before the verse, could be wherever. There are different vibes for diferent genres.
For instance, your break might be alot longer in an a dance track, cus the mixes are extended. Might not even be there in a rap song that's 2 1/2 minutes. Really depends on the song.

By weezlemeez Thu Feb 03, 2005 9:19 pm
tru pro

yo, you broke it down for me -get it? haha i'm a comedian :?

any way wicked man thanks for the input apreciate it.

here's a question:

in the song 'in da club' by 50, when he say's " my flow, my show brought me the dough....ect" is that a bridge or what would you call it? it's right after the hook and leads into the verse. thanks
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By trupro Thu Feb 03, 2005 10:35 pm
Word up, I would call that the bridge; if it's the only key change in the joint, they call it 'the' change. Can't remeber if there are any other changes in that one. Peace weez...
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By DJ-T Fri Feb 04, 2005 4:05 am
MPC 4000 hit the nail on the head. 2 - 4 tha mind.

1. Kool DJ Herc /grandfather of dj's and Mc's
2. Africabambata disciple of (grandfather of dj's)

basically it's small beat phrases off old albums to introduce the next
song or beat or bridge in a track/song. most times they were scratched
or mixed in. Today it's called beat juggling. :wink:

By ridge jaggers Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:27 am
a breaks a bit that you want to sample doesnt mean its just the drummer could be the guy on the ukalayle and the gazoo jaming out at the start of the song 8)
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By Penfold Sun Feb 06, 2005 1:44 am
How is this related to the MPC2000 (XL) ?

BTW Game is GAY! cant rap for shyt and his album is 100% garbage.
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By cyrus Sun Feb 06, 2005 4:57 am
weezlemeez wrote:yo thanks for the help. the insight is appreciated. but what about modern hip hop breaks? how would you design a break sequence on the mpc? is it a 1 bar before the hook? or is it the break down after the third hook? youknowwhatimsayin?


you sample breaks off of records. Then use them in your beats.

example, i can sample a "drum break". Say the drum solo is two bars long.......i can either chop it up, and use the individual drum hits to make my own pattern. Or i can loop the sample and play it how it is and loop it over and over.

Then you lay your own melodies over the drums. Or you can sample "instrument breaks" and chop those up, and create your own melodies with them.

The idea of the break and sampling, is finding sounds that are soloed, so you can use them. Sometimes if you have too many instruments going at once, you cant really use them because they are too difficutl to chop and rearrange or lay over you own instruments (comming from a keyboard) or sometimes you wanna layer several samples together............Its hard to use drums and instrumetns at once too......because when you sample you want to add your own drums, or not just copp someone elses melody. Solo instruments are crucial and are the point of a break. You want to sample the unique quality of the break..............but also want to be able to manipulate it, and chop it, use it in your own way.......create something new and original out of it.

the skull snaps break for example has been used in a shit load of songs.

http://www.the-breaks.com/perl/search.p ... ull&type=0

check it out. There are gazzilions of drum breaks that have been used in hiphop songs. and the same drum breaks used in multiple songs. There are also instrument solos that have been used in the same sense-used in multiple hiphop beats, but manipulted in such a way, that they become original and you cant even tell its the same sample.

the idea, is to flip the sample in your own way. Even if another producer has used the same sample you can still use the sample and flip it in a way you cant tell its the same make it yours and original........its a skill and an Art.



alot of people dont realize the significance of break beats. Its the root of hiphop. Sampling is rooted from Djs using break beats. Looping the breaks with the turntable, by beat juggling them. EG having the same record on two tables, then toggling the section of the break back and forth, cueing one record, switching to the next, etc. Repeating the same section. Then the MC would show his skills over the break.

Then samplers where invented, and you could just sample the break. hiphop artists manipulated the technology and developed what we consider "hiphop sampling" today.

There is alot more history to it than that, but thats the basic.

Listen to dj premier, RZA, Dr.Dre, any **** producer and they sample in one way or another..........and have used classic drum breaks.

a good example of a loop is eminems "my name is" thats just one big loop sampled from a record.
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By incurablebeatlust Sun Feb 06, 2005 7:17 am
[quote="mpc4000xl"]Truth Be told the B-boy was a shortened form 4 the word "Breakboy"

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i think i read an interview w/ herc and he said it was from b-boing like a bouncing sound...