Pad Perform Question

I'm trying to do two things in one 16-pad Pad Perform setup. In the upper eight pads, I'd like to have eight organ notes. In the lower eight pads, I'd like to have eight piano notes. If it's possible to put two notes on one pad for the organ, that would be helpful.

I don't know how, using a Keygroup program, to do this. I set up a Drum program and I can set up the notes I want for both instruments, but they behave weirdly. Specifically:

1. The organ samples seem to only play as one-shots. They don't loop, so I can't hold down the pad and have them sound as long as I press the pad. I need them to sustain as long as I hold down the pad. I suspect this is because I had to use a Drum program, not a Keygroup program to get two voices on one pad setup.

2. The piano samples all sound as though I'm holding down a sustain pedal. I need them to sound and not sustain.

Any ideas how to fix these problems?

Thanks,

Carl

1. Set SAMPLE PLAY to NOTE ON for the organ samples. (Add a little release envelope if necessary.)
2. Set MUTE GROUP 1 for the piano samples, or set sample-play to note-on the same as the organ.

Brilliant! I've never been in that Warp Samples page before. Lots to explore there.

Thanks, Elijah!

Carl

Pad Perform is just a performance 'overlay' for the underlying keygroup program (or plugin/midi program), ultimately you need to initially forget about pad perform and just set up the keygroup program as a fully mapped instrument and then you can apply whatever type of pad perform configuration to that instrument (e.g. play notes in a certain scale, play chords etc).

The issue is that you are approaching keygroups programs like they are drum programs, i.e. in terms of a pad layout, which isn't really the way keygroup programs work. A keygroup program is a chromatic musical instrument, where each pad is assigned a specific musical note and each sample in the program is assigned to a specific musical note range (a keygroup) rather than it being configured to a specific 'pad layout' like you would in a drum program.

So while you can try to configure a keygroup program to have a specific 16 pad layout this is complicated and not really worth the effort - just use a drum program and use the SEMI option on the layer in PROGRAM EDIT > SAMPLES to tune each note accordingly.

To have each note 'sustain' for as long as you hold down the pad, the sample itself must be looped in SAMPLE EDIT. You then must set the pad to NOTE ON. Alternatively you can configure the pad layer itself to loop between two specific points, but if you are using the same sample over multiple pads it makes more sense to loop the sample itself. But yes, a keygroup program will be set to NOTE ON by default, drum programs are ONE SHOT by default.

The piano samples all sound as though I'm holding down a sustain pedal. I need them to sound and not sustain.

After looping the sample and setting the pad to NOTE ON, go to PROGRAM EDIT > ENVELOPES and configure the amp envelope to taste.


I cover all these techniques in a lot of detail in the MPC Bible

"So while you can try to configure a keygroup program to have a specific 16 pad layout this is complicated and not really worth the effort - just use a drum program and use the SEMI option on the layer in PROGRAM EDIT > SAMPLES to tune each note accordingly."

That is exactly what I am doing. The problem is that piano and organ samples used in a drum program don't sound correctly. Elijah above showed me how to change the sample parameters to do what I need to do. I knew what I needed, but didn't know where to find those parameters. They are on the Warp Sample page, which I wouldn't have expected. Thanks.

Carl

MPC-Tutor wrote:Pad Perform is just a performance 'overlay' for the underlying keygroup program (or plugin/midi program), ultimately you need to initially forget about pad perform and just set up the keygroup program as a fully mapped instrument and then you can apply whatever type of pad perform configuration to that instrument (e.g. play notes in a certain scale, play chords etc).

The issue is that you are approaching keygroups programs like they are drum programs, i.e. in terms of a pad layout, which isn't really the way keygroup programs work. A keygroup program is a chromatic musical instrument, where each pad is assigned a specific musical note and each sample in the program is assigned to a specific musical note range (a keygroup) rather than it being configured to a specific 'pad layout' like you would in a drum program.

So while you can try to configure a keygroup program to have a specific 16 pad layout this is complicated and not really worth the effort - just use a drum program and use the SEMI option on the layer in PROGRAM EDIT > SAMPLES to tune each note accordingly.

To have each note 'sustain' for as long as you hold down the pad, the sample itself must be looped in SAMPLE EDIT. You then must set the pad to NOTE ON. Alternatively you can configure the pad layer itself to loop between two specific points, but if you are using the same sample over multiple pads it makes more sense to loop the sample itself. But yes, a keygroup program will be set to NOTE ON by default, drum programs are ONE SHOT by default.

The piano samples all sound as though I'm holding down a sustain pedal. I need them to sound and not sustain.

After looping the sample and setting the pad to NOTE ON, go to PROGRAM EDIT > ENVELOPES and configure the amp envelope to taste.


I cover all these techniques in a lot of detail in the MPC Bible

big up tutor for the bible; I need to pick up a copy myself cos i use less then 20% of the mpc featureset; I am real basic in my usage