Ableton Live 12 auto chop and auto warp workflow in MPC 3.6?

Hi

I have a question surrounding the workflow of chopping samples in the MPC Live as it relates to the way I usually chop samples on Ableton Live 12.

Here is the link to a document with this question which includes screenshots for easier understanding:

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1FfrgbqzvIgzLT7LtDqS6htUxXkX-pl3lBFnajqrFBfk/edit?usp=sharing

Usually I start by making sure the Auto Warp feature is turned on in Ableton and when I drag a sample in, the sample is auto sliced by bar most of the time (not sure why it doesn’t always chop it up).

If you take a look at the screenshots in the document for example, you can see that the sample I used, William Bell - I Forgot To Be Your Lover - is auto chopped into 1 bar pieces AND because WARP is set to ON, when I change the project tempo, this adjusts the tempo of the sample too.
I can then drag this sample into Ableton’s SIMPLER

Then I can change the SLICE BY to BEAT , DIVISION to whatever I prefer, ½ bars in this case and PLAYBACK to THRU which is perfect for the way I like to playback a chopped up sample.

Finally, you can see that I can trigger each slice with a MIDI controller for example and chop away as I require or adjust the slices too of course.

My question then is, can I use this workflow in the MPC Live, which is what I wish to use it in, specifically noting that when the sample is auto chopped the 1 bar slices are initially auto warped so for example if one slice of the sample is 2.3 seconds long in actuality and another is 2.5 seconds long in actuality, auto warp feature will compensate with whatever WARP algorithm I end up choosing (COMPLEX PRO with 0 formants usually).
By compensate I mean it will adjust each slice it detects as 1 bar into a single length for all slices that are used as 1 bar e.g. 2.4 seconds.

This question is aimed at anyone who understands what I am asking and of course any Ableton users who also use the MPC Live or any other variant thereof the hardware that uses the MPC 3.6 firmware which is what I use on my MPC Live at the moment. And just to be clear, I wish to use this workflow in the MPC Live in standalone mode (happy to use controller mode at times if I must to speed up my workflow too however).

Thanks very much.

Gelert

Ableton Live does a lot of handholding for warping loops, setting warp markers, and all that... and while not perfect by any means... it generally does better than a halfway decent job...

The MPC doesn't really do much hand holding for you for sample chopping or warping. While it's not an "either or" per se... they are effectively two separate workflows, that both require you to understand the tools at hand that the MPC provides.

This isn't to say that you won't like the MPC or it's workflows, but you absolutely must expect to spend more time working on sample content *if* you want to have a very Ableton Live like result and experience.
* The MPC doesn't really have an equivalent to auto setting the 1.1.1 warp like in Ableton Live, this is just the start of the sample
* The MPC chops are lazy style (just tap the pads when you want a chop), number of regions, transients, or BPM... again no Ableton Live style warp markers
* If you want to play around with the timing of a loop on the MPC, you're going to have to chop it. You can still warp the samples/chops afterwards, but it's *not* the same as warping Ableton

So that's just a *few* things that come to mind with how the MPC works... I'm sure others will provide some more thoughts.

NearTao wrote:Ableton Live does a lot of handholding for warping loops, setting warp markers, and all that... and while not perfect by any means... it generally does better than a halfway decent job...

The MPC doesn't really do much hand holding for you for sample chopping or warping. While it's not an "either or" per se... they are effectively two separate workflows, that both require you to understand the tools at hand that the MPC provides.

This isn't to say that you won't like the MPC or it's workflows, but you absolutely must expect to spend more time working on sample content *if* you want to have a very Ableton Live like result and experience.
* The MPC doesn't really have an equivalent to auto setting the 1.1.1 warp like in Ableton Live, this is just the start of the sample
* The MPC chops are lazy style (just tap the pads when you want a chop), number of regions, transients, or BPM... again no Ableton Live style warp markers
* If you want to play around with the timing of a loop on the MPC, you're going to have to chop it. You can still warp the samples/chops afterwards, but it's *not* the same as warping Ableton

So that's just a *few* things that come to mind with how the MPC works... I'm sure others will provide some more thoughts.

Appreciate you my brotha!

Thanks for the further insight.

Just an update as well, I have somewhat solved this question for CONTROLLER mode now by getting Ableton to chop up the samples and auto warp them then just save the resulting loop, bounce it out of Ableton and then into the MPC Live where I just chop it by REGION, so if there are 19 bars in the loop (I used a non multiple of 2 on purpose to test this and it works) the MPC Live will chop it perfectly into 19 REGIONS or slices which each correspond to a single bar, then because I want to play the chops all the way through, I MANUALLY edit the END POINTS of each REGION/SLICE all the way to the very END of the SAMPLE and bong!!! We're in business.

This might give other people some further ideas on how to use Ableton and their MPC to chop samples more easily with this workflow.

If anyone can suggest a similar workflow in STANDALONE mode, even better otherwise the CONTROLLOER mode workflow will do for now.

Thanks.