Discuss the various methods you use in music production, from compressor settings to equipment type.
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By mpc4000xl Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:44 am
JaeOne3345 wrote:
skalawa wrote: i have tried fruity, and to be honest it is not bad, but it was a sound, like may other apps, and its generic, just like pro tools, and also, the music today all sounds the same, reason as well, very crab in barrel.

also in all honesty, ,you sure get a whole more respect, when you rock hardware. especially when you know how to rock IT.

flashing lights, mp's, s950's through big boards do it for me.


FL will only sound as good as the samples you dig for and put in it (**** presets), in addition to only sounding as well as your soundcard/interface allows it too. I hope you had a decent card (not soundblaster, not motherboard based) when you made such an observation. I use the edirol FA-101 10in/10out firewire interface and FL sounds great, along with nuendo, etc etc.

respect? why would you get any more respect than i do? because your computer (mpc, it is a computer) is its own case? we both dig for wax, we both chop samples, we both trigger samples with pads (and keys), we both sequence. i use my pc just like any hardware, sample, trigger and sequence **** by playing it (not clicking mouse buttons). i fail to understand how you would get respect for using one platform over the other, considering one is not doing something so much easier for you. those that would give you more respect for such a reason are just ignorant narrow minded folks who judge things for face value.

the comment about the 950, mp's, sp's, etc: word, but so many people dont remember, FL and other programs sync up with hardware just fine. I've used my pc to control outboard hardware equipment countless times without a hitch.

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UnFortunatley.......................


People R Victim 2 Narrow Thinkin'..............................

I Once Went into a VERY WELL Known Studio......................

AMS Board....
MPCs.........
Trinity(Triton Had jus' Came out at That time)...........
Kurzweil K2000...........
Adats.........
Dats.............

and these cats acted like I'm Jus' gonna worship the gear.....NOT...........

and their engineer was TRASH................

I Asked him about some simple ping pong FX and Gates and He looked Puzzled....................

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So YES SOME People Will Look at a PC Based Studio AS Inferior..........

Particularly Stateside (US) ...............


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By elmacaco Sun Apr 10, 2005 1:52 am
Yeah, but it's like a tradition thing, like Dj's that still use vinyl and scratch, versus cd dj's that just beat match. I think cd scratching is cool, but you get less props cuz your needle can't skip no matter how hard you hit it.

So it's a bit easier. A lot of software makes it so you don't have to know much to do anything, which is cool, but it's knowledge and skill that gets respect. But who's respect? and who cares? ;)
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By mpc4000xl Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:14 am
elmacaco wrote:Yeah, but it's like a tradition thing, like Dj's that still use vinyl and scratch, versus cd dj's that just beat match. I think cd scratching is cool, but you get less props cuz your needle can't skip no matter how hard you hit it.

So it's a bit easier. A lot of software makes it so you don't have to know much to do anything, which is cool, but it's knowledge and skill that gets respect. But who's respect? and who cares? ;)





elmacaco wrote:Yeah, but it's like a tradition thing,
So it's a bit easier. , but it's knowledge and skill that gets respect. But who's respect? and who cares? ;)



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By JaeOne3345 Sun Apr 10, 2005 2:57 am
elmacaco wrote:
So it's a bit easier. A lot of software makes it so you don't have to know much to do anything, which is cool, but it's knowledge and skill that gets respect. But who's respect? and who cares? ;)


maybe someone may use features that may make things easier, but like i said before, no different process from hardware: dig, sample, chop, sequence. my pc doesnt work any magic for me. i play shit out with pads and keys like anyone. dont use any preset functions, etc...

and the analogy to skratching, ehh. you speak on tradition, if it was really about tradition you'd be rockin a zildjan drum set instead of mpc pads :D
dont forget the mpc has ram, an operating system, drives, etc, it is a computer.

By elmacaco Sun Apr 10, 2005 3:19 am
Hip hop tradition, TT's, mics, sp's, etc. I also said who cares, I don't use the 60 because of tradition, but I get props for rockin the old stuff, cuz some people know why.

But yo, I'm not hostile to computer users, I use a computer too, but as a tape recorder mostly. There's a lot to be said about computers, but there are other drawbacks. Like that they aren't built to last, they use cheap capacitors that will fail in roughtly 5 years so you need a new Mobo, and the working in 2D thing, like I said for some that's great.

Why are you so bitter? if you got dope beats cats don't care what you use, I got friends that rock all computer and they are all wrapped up in the whole 'the future will be all software' myth, and try to feel superior to others, and I don't support the opposite from hardware users towards computers. but there are advantages and disadvantages, I don't think one can really comment until they've used both as their main gear, most software users change apps every few years, sometimes they don't want to but the new computers OS's won't support their favorite gear.

But whatever dude, just saying my piece.

By JaeOne3345 Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:55 am
im not bitter, i just think its funny when cats talk on shit they know NOTHING about (thats in general, not directed at you). and i always find these types of cats on the message boards. just straight idiotic comments with no basis behind them. no problem with folks voicing opinions but goddamn back them up with factual knowledge.

to me, hiphop tradition has always been about doing what you can as dope as possible with what you got, whatever that may be.
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By skalawa Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:00 am
its amazing how ppl quote on this board and edit what the fuc they want to edit out, , if your gonna quote me dont edit my sh.it,

"also in all honesty, ,you sure get a whole more respect, when you rock hardware. especially when you know how to rock IT. "

i did not in anyway say you get less respect when your on a computer. and the operative piece at the end in caps, when you know what your doing.

buboclaat idiot. and if you noticed i was speaking in first person, so its how the blodclat i feel. so dont pu ssy clat quote me, and fit it into your scheme of rassclat views. and yes i am directing this to you roxstar.and elmacaco i did not say in any way tht it is a reason why you or any one should get hardware, once again i was speaking in first person, i already stated which no one mentioned why i like hardware, which was, for those who got a problem reading

I FEEL LIKE THERE IS MORE OF ME IN THE MUSIC, AND SO I FEEL SATIFISED, LIKE WHEN I GO IN THE GARDEN AND TEND TO GANJA IN THE FIELDS. WITH BASIC TOOLS, LIKE A FORK, INSTEAD OF SOME COPLEX SHIZ LIKE HYDROPONICS.


the comment about the 950, mp's, sp's, etc: word, but so many people dont remember, FL and other programs sync up with hardware just fine. I've used my pc to control outboard hardware equipment countless times without a hitch.

tht maybe true jaeone, but what the hell does tht have to do with my comment, i like physical, i dont give a sh1t about syncing, i am not fighting down software, i am stating my opinions and feelings on it, dont try and sell me into something i have done already and come to a conclusive report on. and you can sync mp to cubase and use it as a module, and so what, i still went out and copped a 2500, for the price of that i could have a complete array of sounds that are more pleasing, and can edit and control more in the computer, , i do my thing, and that is with a garden fork,

well Jaeone3345 you quoted me, so i will take tht your last response is directed at me, if thts how you feel then so be it, but you dont even know where i am coming from and where i am going ,
its amazing how alot of youalll take my comments and try to fit it in to your views or methology of life, its sickening.

i went to the largest music retailer in england to demo some gear, and i told cats my set up, "yea i rock a 950, and a mp, etc etc,

they were like huh?????????????. dont you use a computer, yea as a tape deck. from then on they told thier friends and thier frineds told thier friends until about half the store came up to me asking why?/ i simply told them i am a cave man. i felt good because i was different very different, and i will strive to be that way, some dude even gave me his number and invited me down to his studio. cause he is working on some music cross over stuff.

ask your selves the question why are companies so pushing the software evolution in music. to make more money???? at present theey are working on a human interafe protocol tht allows you to control applicatins from the brain directly, from your thoughts. so then, you same cats would be like yea i rock a brain wave generator, and you rock a control surface, your so out dated.

once again let me illerate why i like hardware,

I FEEL LIKE THERE IS MORE OF ME IN THE MUSIC, AND SO I FEEL SATIFISED, LIKE WHEN I GO IN THE GARDEN AND TEND TO GANJA IN THE FIELDS. WITH BASIC TOOLS, LIKE A FORK, INSTEAD OF SOME COPLEX SHIZ LIKE HYDROPONICS.


" I don't use the 60 because of tradition, but I get props for rockin the old stuff, cuz some people know why." elmacaco

the very same thing, my mp may not be old, but i get joy every time i hit a pad, and chop a sample, and i get props too, but that is broughta, and in some way it makes me feel good, i get to appreciate what i have more. and i am in no way saying that is what it takes for me to enjoy my gear.


so next time when any of you quoting, dont edit it to fit your bill please, particularly JaeOne3345, and Roxstar.

thank you.

By fobedafied Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:40 am
skalawa wrote:its amazing how ppl quote on this board and edit what the fuc they want to edit out, , if your gonna quote me dont edit my sh.it,

"also in all honesty, ,you sure get a whole more respect, when you rock hardware. especially when you know how to rock IT. "

i did not in anyway say you get less respect when your on a computer. and the operative piece at the end in caps, when you know what your doing.

buboclaat idiot. and if you noticed i was speaking in first person, so its how the blodclat i feel. so dont pu ssy clat quote me, and fit it into your scheme of rassclat views. and yes i am directing this to you roxstar.and elmacaco i did not say in any way tht it is a reason why you or any one should get hardware, once again i was speaking in first person, i already stated which no one mentioned why i like hardware, which was, for those who got a problem reading

I FEEL LIKE THERE IS MORE OF ME IN THE MUSIC, AND SO I FEEL SATIFISED, LIKE WHEN I GO IN THE GARDEN AND TEND TO GANJA IN THE FIELDS. WITH BASIC TOOLS, LIKE A FORK, INSTEAD OF SOME COPLEX SHIZ LIKE HYDROPONICS.


the comment about the 950, mp's, sp's, etc: word, but so many people dont remember, FL and other programs sync up with hardware just fine. I've used my pc to control outboard hardware equipment countless times without a hitch.

tht maybe true jaeone, but what the hell does tht have to do with my comment, i like physical, i dont give a sh1t about syncing, i am not fighting down software, i am stating my opinions and feelings on it, dont try and sell me into something i have done already and come to a conclusive report on. and you can sync mp to cubase and use it as a module, and so what, i still went out and copped a 2500, for the price of that i could have a complete array of sounds that are more pleasing, and can edit and control more in the computer, , i do my thing, and that is with a garden fork,

well Jaeone3345 you quoted me, so i will take tht your last response is directed at me, if thts how you feel then so be it, but you dont even know where i am coming from and where i am going ,
its amazing how alot of youalll take my comments and try to fit it in to your views or methology of life, its sickening.

i went to the largest music retailer in england to demo some gear, and i told cats my set up, "yea i rock a 950, and a mp, etc etc,

they were like huh?????????????. dont you use a computer, yea as a tape deck. from then on they told thier friends and thier frineds told thier friends until about half the store came up to me asking why?/ i simply told them i am a cave man. i felt good because i was different very different, and i will strive to be that way, some dude even gave me his number and invited me down to his studio. cause he is working on some music cross over stuff.

ask your selves the question why are companies so pushing the software evolution in music. to make more money???? at present theey are working on a human interafe protocol tht allows you to control applicatins from the brain directly, from your thoughts. so then, you same cats would be like yea i rock a brain wave generator, and you rock a control surface, your so out dated.

once again let me illerate why i like hardware,

I FEEL LIKE THERE IS MORE OF ME IN THE MUSIC, AND SO I FEEL SATIFISED, LIKE WHEN I GO IN THE GARDEN AND TEND TO GANJA IN THE FIELDS. WITH BASIC TOOLS, LIKE A FORK, INSTEAD OF SOME COPLEX SHIZ LIKE HYDROPONICS.


" I don't use the 60 because of tradition, but I get props for rockin the old stuff, cuz some people know why." elmacaco

the very same thing, my mp may not be old, but i get joy every time i hit a pad, and chop a sample, and i get props too, but that is broughta, and in some way it makes me feel good, i get to appreciate what i have more. and i am in no way saying that is what it takes for me to enjoy my gear.


so next time when any of you quoting, dont edit it to fit your bill please, particularly JaeOne3345, and Roxstar.

thank you.



nuff'spect ska.... this post has brought tearz to my eyes// (shroomzs included) nice way of puttin it, straight up...
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By docmartin120 Sun Apr 10, 2005 12:34 pm
You gotta love hardware... It gives you a connection to your gear. I make sure each piece of my studio is working at the best levels, and sometimes a piece here or there might start acting up, but thats the beauty of hardware. A computer maybe "All-in-one" and it might take 8 or 9 pieces of equipment to equal all of the virtual synths and plugins but I love the physical aspect... Not having the 808 sounds but the REAL 808 drum machine, Thats Hiphop!!! IMO

By elmacaco Sun Apr 10, 2005 4:17 pm
yeah, skala, I wasn't saying you said that, I was clarifying for the cats that reacted funny.
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By skalawa Sun Apr 10, 2005 5:09 pm
and you know what there are whole bunch of them, :twisted: bunch of band wagonist, it just came out like it was directed at me, as half the others dudes came at me from side ways, sorry man.

By elmacaco Sun Apr 10, 2005 7:54 pm
no sweat .
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By Science Sun Apr 10, 2005 10:21 pm
thats true what he said about gear, i knew a cat the had like a 20,000 studio set up and his music sounded like garbage, and i know a cat that made beats on a casio and they sounded awesome.

By elmacaco Sun Apr 10, 2005 11:20 pm
I know cats with lots of stuff that make incredible music, and other cats with casio's and they make that shyt sound worse.
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By Science Mon Apr 11, 2005 12:37 am
^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :?: