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By docmartin120 Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:01 am
My point exactly!!!! :lol: That's why it's named "Breakdown What U Do!"

Good find Illvibe!!! Thats the Pete Track I was referin' to. Lo Filther called Pete a sellout awhile ago! :wink:
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By docmartin120 Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:03 am
FLUENT wrote:yo doc, breakdown is dope. and the fact that you can spot samples from producers on this site isnt really ****, cuz no one who posts music here digs


No diggers on this forum??? Damn, thats CRAZY!!! I thought thats what the crate digger forum was for???
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By FLUENT Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:07 am
nah dont get it confused. 'crate diggers' is just an offshoot of the newbie forum. lots of time ive heard beats that users posted using loops that i passed on a long time ago. im not tryin to be all negative (or elitist) and shit im just sayin how it is as i see it. there are very very very few diggers on here, most just skimmin the top
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By docmartin120 Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:09 am
FLUENT wrote:nah dont get it confused. 'crate diggers' is just an offshoot of the newbie forum. lots of time ive heard beats that users posted using loops that i passed on a long time ago. im not tryin to be all negative (or elitist) and **** im just sayin how it is as i see it. there are very very very few diggers on here, most just skimmin the top


Got you!! But now I know your a digger... :wink:

By ill vibe Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:30 am
docmartin120 wrote:My point exactly!!!! :lol: That's why it's named "Breakdown What U Do!"

Good find Illvibe!!! Thats the Pete Track I was referin' to. Lo Filther called Pete a sellout awhile ago! :wink:

Haha!

Drumatic got skills tho, i like all his beats i've heard. You're gonna have to put up a beat with a similar style to him or everyone on the 60/3000 is gonna side with him. A lot of us seem to be stuck in the 80's and 90's (me included :oops:).
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By Lo Pass Filter Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:50 am
Weak. Sounds like you looped a chunk of the original INI joint. Did you even put that together yourself - lol? Sounded like you just stripped the low end out of it. Your drum pauses were all outa place, messed the whole groove up when you did that. Btw. that INI beat dropped in 95. Pete was still golden then, so your sell out reference was for what?

As for pointing out samples.. so what? I flipped mad Italian OST's before Madlib. Doesn't make his material any less crediable or dope. I hope no one is gassed because they are paying $50-100+ dollars for some record all the UK Hip-Hop heads have beat to death. Digging is a trend that goes in cycles, it's always been that way. As far as flipping "known" records, if you can do it better, or take a different portion, do it up. Hip-Hop is lacking right now anyhow, people need to revitalize the old for the new generation to hear.
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By Lo Pass Filter Thu Jun 30, 2005 1:55 am
"Screaming BRAND NEW!! Why don't you sanitize the old sh*t!? Suppose it's, just another clever jedi mind trick" - Mos Def
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By docmartin120 Thu Jun 30, 2005 2:03 am
Lo Pass Filter wrote:"Screaming BRAND NEW!! Why don't you sanitize the old sh*t!? Suppose it's, just another clever jedi mind trick" - Mos Def


"Screamin brand new, when they just sanitized the old sh!t
Suppose it's, just another clever Jedi mind trick." - Mos Def

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/mos-def/thei ... night.html

Goes to show you what you know, you PHONY!!!! And Mos is speakin' to YOU!!!
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By FLUENT Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:21 am
As for pointing out samples.. so what? I flipped mad Italian OST's before Madlib. Doesn't make his material any less crediable or dope. I hope no one is gassed because they are paying $50-100+ dollars for some record all the UK Hip-Hop heads have beat to death. Digging is a trend that goes in cycles, it's always been that way. As far as flipping "known" records, if you can do it better, or take a different portion, do it up. Hip-Hop is lacking right now anyhow, people need to revitalize the old for the new generation to hear.


all im sayin is, no one really digs anymore. they loop up the same ol soul shit. even if you can flip a known joint why would you promote that to beatmakers?? the bottom line is you should still be digging (in my opinion). of course theres gonna be a few dope beats using known records, but still..why not DIG?? why would you settle for making a dope beat which diggers can easily spot the sample, instead of making a dope beat with an obscure sample that leaves other beatmakers scratchin there heads. it doesnt make sense to me. when i hear a common loop that i came across as a digger its like, comon money dig harder. i guess i take the crate excavating real serious like. you wont catch madlib (or myself) loopin up no aretha franklin!

if you have the ability to make a dope beat in the first place, then theres no reason you shouldn't be digging for 'other' shit. this is just my opinion though, not a declaration of internet war :wink:
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By Lo Pass Filter Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:38 am
Fluent - I got respect for what your saying. No disagreeing there. But, just like Lib, and every other head on that tip, they flip sh*t to this very day that is very well known, just overlooked a lota times. A lota people know a record for this break or that break, but then skip over the record all together because they think thier is nothing else on there. Kinda like the cats who just put the needle to the groove on each cut and if nothing pops out, they dispose of the record. I know "hardcore" diggers that get down like that.

Doc - For all the years of I've been listening to that cut, and still now, it doesn't sound like he says "when". If thats the case, I stand corrected. I've read tons of misprinted lyrics through that site.. I'm not saying this verse is or isn't misprinted, but I wouldn't be suprised ether way. If the case is that the lyric is right on the site, that is some bullsh*t. And ruins a lota that verse for me. Regardless, take a look around you. From the Wallabees, to the throwbacks, old shit is being sanitized and brought back out.

As for him talking about me, you don't even know me clown. I've never said what I'm bringing to the table is BRAND NEW. If your gonna diss, at least use your disses in the right context G.

By elmacaco Thu Jun 30, 2005 5:43 am
[quote]Drumatic got skills tho, i like all his beats i've heard. You're gonna have to put up a beat with a similar style to him or everyone on the 60/3000 is gonna side with him. A lot of us seem to be stuck in the 80's and 90's (me included ). [/quote]

Drumatic does have great skills, but hot is hot, if Doc posted some dirty south shyt that showed his skills to be superior, I would let him know. I am not stuck in the 80 or 90's, people are acting like the shyt that is coming out now is a new style or something, no one thinks SP-1200 beats are anything less than golden era style. Hell, cats let you know right off the bat they are trying to take it back, what's wrong with that? That period had a higher concentration of dope music, wack shyt wasn't tolerated for very long.

ALl this sexy gangster shyt and even underground shyt is safe to listen to, cleaned up so it can get invited into white suburban homes, sex and gangster talk instills the capitalism at all costs mentality in the youth (CEO's think the same way, they just handle more money, and break the law on the regular too, they just don't get caught as much and go to club fed if they do). It also makes young black men look guiltier than they already do in racist society, so easy to fill the forced labor camps they call prisons.

Basically as tough as any of these guys are now or as cool or as credible, none of the threaten the status quo, or help people actually get beyond the cycle of poverty or crime or pain or make them want to read or educate themselves like PE and other did.

It basically helps keep the rich getting richer and creating more poor people (where do you think the rich get their money?

Even chill cats like Digable Planets talked about Marx, Huey Newton, and Castro. One of my favorite lines is "My heros, died in prison, George Jackson."

Yall know who they are right? Makes you wonder how someone dying in prison culd be someone's hero. It made me look him up.

Point is, now its "My heros, moved to a neighborhood in Connecticut that the cops would stop me for walking in.


Ah why do I bother.
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By drumat!c Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:26 am
"yo doc, breakdown is dope. and the fact that you can spot samples from producers on this site isnt really ****, cuz no one who posts music here digs"

I won't even retort on this bullsh!t ass accusation....


As for Doc's latest beat:

Your drums are weaker than an aids patient with 7 days to live.....nice try though....the "PREMO STREET KIT" you bought off this site ain't gonna hang buddy....this axelrod sample is clever as you can't go wrong with him....but poorly used. You can call my samples out all damn day but you still can't fuk with me as a beatmaker....producer....dj on the cut......i'll just keep breakin' your shit down.....til you understand that all 2000 extra large chics in your machine can't fuk with the 12-bit soil on the bottom of my timberland boots!

By fobedafied Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:37 am
drumat!c wrote:"yo doc, breakdown is dope. and the fact that you can spot samples from producers on this site isnt really ****, cuz no one who posts music here digs"

I won't even retort on this bullsh!t ass accusation....


As for Doc's latest beat:

Your drums are weaker than an aids patient with 7 days to live.....nice try though....the "PREMO STREET KIT" you bought off this site ain't gonna hang buddy....this axelrod sample is clever as you can't go wrong with him....but poorly used. You can call my samples out all damn day but you still can't fuk with me as a beatmaker....producer....dj on the cut......i'll just keep breakin' your **** down.....til you understand that all 2000 extra large chics in your machine can't fuk with the 12-bit soil on the bottom of my timberland boots!


like WHOA! :shock:

By ill vibe Thu Jun 30, 2005 6:56 am
elmacaco wrote:Drumatic does have great skills, but hot is hot, if Doc posted some dirty south shyt that showed his skills to be superior, I would let him know. I am not stuck in the 80 or 90's, people are acting like the shyt that is coming out now is a new style or something, no one thinks SP-1200 beats are anything less than golden era style. Hell, cats let you know right off the bat they are trying to take it back, what's wrong with that? That period had a higher concentration of dope music, wack shyt wasn't tolerated for very long.

Fuk that there's no such thing as a hot dirty south beat :)
Stuck in the 80s/90s was the wrong phrase, i should've said something like many 60/3000 users prefer the hip hop from back then, so don't expect too many people here to prefer your (Doc's) beats over Drumatic's.
There's nothing wrong with cats trying to take it back, and yes dodging wackness is wayyy harder now than it used to be :wink:
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By drumat!c Thu Jun 30, 2005 7:09 am
To tie the ends off.....you ain't fukkin with my sample selection either...and I think you mentioined....what 1 of the samples I used? Everything else was wrong cus there ain't a Hubert Laws sample on there.....just cus dude heard a flute he got all googily eyed......the only thing holy about your thursdays is that beat pattern you posted. I'll letchu borrow some dust from my vinyl to fill those gaps.....

Treason.