lo-fi wrote:By the way the Shure SM57 and 58 are technically the same mic, except for the built-in pop shield on the 58; screw it off and you have a 57. The pop shield takes off some of the high-end, hence the difference in sound.
jaem wrote:ummmm....... no its not the same mic....sorry try again
lo-fi wrote:It may not look the same, but technically, _electronically_, it is. Go ahead, screw the top off a 58, tape it next to a 57, record something and see if you can tell the difference in a blind test.
jaem wrote:you're wrong want proof????
http://www.shure.com/microphones/models/sm57.asp
and
http://www.shure.com/microphones/models/sm58.asp
notice the freq response charts they are different, the 58 has more rolloff in the low end becuz its designed as a vocal mic and the 57 is designed as an instrument mic
Sorry dude. You tried twice and even PM-ed me but I'm
still right.
Thanks for showing me the frequency plots, but I already said in my first post that there is a difference in sound between these two mics. I just said, the difference in sound is
due to the pop shield/grill construction. I said the electronics inside i.e.
cartridge design, is the same.
The trick of screwing the bulb off an SM58 is well known among recording and live engineers. You're right, the 57 goes a little lower than the 58; that's mainly because the lack of a grille allows you to exploit the proximity effect further. The 57 also has a little more high end than the 58, because the pop shield on the 58 attenuates the high end it a little. But I said that already.
And look what I found on the Shure site:
Question:
"What are the real reasons an SM58® should be used for vocals, and an SM57 should be used for instruments?"
Solution Database Answer:
It is true the SM57 and SM58® microphones are based on
the same cartridge design. The main difference between them is in the
grille design. The SM58 was designed for vocal application and it uses a separate grille with a very effective pop filter. The SM57 was designed as an instrument microphone where smaller grille size is preferred. In this application the pop and wind are not usually a concern. The SM57 uses an integral resonator/grille assembly, where the grille is actually a part of the cartridge. These two grille designs place the diaphragm of the microphones in a different acoustical environment. First of all, the distance from the top of the grille to the diaphragm is significantly shorter on the SM57 compared to that of the SM58. This allows for closer sound pickup with even more pronounced proximity effect. Second, a different resonator/grille assembly design of the SM57 is responsible for its slightly higher output above 5 kHz.
And that's exactly what I said. Same electronics, different frequency response due to different grill/pop shield construction. Now sit your a$s down.
(XLR cable running from the 58 straight into the 001 pre)
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