4000 + Nuendo sync issue...

I am slaving Nuendo to my 4000. Everything is perfect except one thing. When I press play with my 4000, Nuendo completely skips the first bar. Im aware this is a default setting for tape machines and/or video equipment, but I have no clue on how to correct in and make it play all the data from the very first tick. Maybe slaving with smpte would fix it? AWWW NAWW might have some insite on this. Any help would be much appreciated.

Just to let you know im slaving nuendo using Midi time code and Midi Machine Code at the same time. (this might help decipher the issue)

thanks!

Not a good idea to start your songs from bar 1.

Allow at least a couple of bars at the start of your songs for synchronisation purposes.

Adjust your sync settings until you get it right. Most DAWs will allow you to compensate for ouy of sync tracks by making fine adjustments somewhere on the sync settings page or transport bar.

Personally, I found midi clock much easier to use as it uses the tempo to synchronise tracks and is mcu less fiddly to set up.

clint is right

word! i got it all sorted out now. thanks for getting me off to a good start though! and i learned all the different midi sync techniques..

well post what you did maybe you can teach me or others.
I didnt do much diving I just found what works and used it. And from what I heard on the forums is that what I was doing was was what everyone else had to do

1. Just start from bar two when syncing with midi time code and midi machine code. The benifit of having both sequencers linked is that you can draw in or edit knob functions or sequences by hand in the nuendo sequencer and then just record the midi data back into the 4000. Or if you are using a linear sequencing style you can have both of the sequencers work together for the benifits of both and have the midi data converger at the end of your session by recording and then just slave the
4000 with midi sync for final edits if your using the 4000's internal sampler. But if your not using the 4000's internal sampler.. just play around with the midi data in nuendo and even add new layers with the 4000 by going over the already set sequence in nuendo by making or playing some phrases and then testing them out in track mute and next sequence if you like.

2. Another option is to bypass all of nuendos internal sequencing if you arent into the flexibility of using both sequencers and just use it as a vst host to link vst to your 4000. This isnt even needed if you use stand alone vst's that can select thier own midi channel and port, because all you would need after that is to assing the output of a vst instrument to the input of any recording software and just start tracking out to the recording software. Alot of studios just use the stand alone vst and track them to thier softare daw to take the proccessing burden of playing midi data and recording off of your cpu, and since we use the 4000 as a sequencer it would be just like slaving and sequencing any piece of hardware.

3. Another way to bypass the first bar would be to take advantage of the goto button on your 4000 by setting your new start point up.

4. My best syncing experience these days is with reason. It's seemless to say the least. 4 midi ins on reason and 4 midi outs on the 4000.. not to mention that every knob and fader is linkable to the qlink via cc, which alot of vst have problems with because not all of them use the same knob/fader control methods. I'll have a tutorial up soon enough because you guys could definately benifit from all of the features possible with linking the two and do away with some of the desire for functions not available in the 4000.

Damn Good shyt

Does anyone know if I can do this with the MPC1000? I want to know if its possible to hit a pad and record the data into SOnar's sequencer instead. How should I setup the MPC1000?

DSProductionz wrote:Does anyone know if I can do this with the MPC1000? I want to know if its possible to hit a pad and record the data into SOnar's sequencer instead. How should I setup the MPC1000?

The only difference is the menue in Sonar.

Im not sure about that. Everyone seems to be talking about setting the clock up on the MPC. Well, the MPC1000 doesnt seem to have those settings. The only settings I see are on the MIDI/ SYNC Page. I can set the MIDI receive, MIDI Thru, and MIDI IN/OUT. Thats it! Im sure the setup is a bit different.

I do have Sonar set as the master and when I hit play back fro Sonar it triggers the MPC. So I know I have communication between Sonar and my MPC. I just cant seem to create a new MIDI track in Sonar and get it to record a certain pad from the MPC. Im not sure what settings to put into the MIDI track properties. Can anyone break it down?

DSProductionz wrote:Im not sure about that. Everyone seems to be talking about setting the clock up on the MPC. Well, the MPC1000 doesnt seem to have those settings. The only settings I see are on the MIDI/ SYNC Page. I can set the MIDI receive, MIDI Thru, and MIDI IN/OUT. Thats it! Im sure the setup is a bit different.

Your right I forgot that the MPC 1000 doesnt have midi clock out (or was it midi time code.. or both?). Thats why its a Fischer Price of an mp.. its way to slimed down. I've kept alot of people from wasting thier money on it cuz it doesnt have the features their looking for.

I do have Sonar set as the master and when I hit play back fro Sonar it triggers the MPC. So I know I have communication between Sonar and my MPC. I just cant seem to create a new MIDI track in Sonar and get it to record a certain pad from the MPC. Im not sure what settings to put into the MIDI track properties. Can anyone break it down?

If all your looking to do is hit the pads and have it record in the sequencer of sonar, you dont need to sync at all. Just set the track in the MPC to a midi output, and set the midi input on the track in Sonar to recieve from the midi output specified in the mpc. Hit record in sonar and hit your pads. Besides that I dont feel like repeating myself so read the rest of what I posted on the thread a bit closer. The mpc's midi setups are basicly identical since midi hasnt changed, with exception for your 1000's lack of capabilities.

That and I dont think your are explaining exactly what you want to do. Are you trying to record into Sonar using the pads on your MPC, and playback sounds in the mpc via the midi data from Sonar? Make sure to be as specific as you can when posting a question so your awnser can be exact and timely.

Your manual should go over all this in the setup portion. I would advise you to use the MPC's sequencer because its alot better than the internal sequencers of a DAW. What you prolly want is just a visual sequencer, but you wont need it once you take the time to learn the lenghts of notes in tics.

Sorry for not being clear enough... Heres what I am trying to do:

"Im trying to record into Sonar using the pads on your MPC, and playback sounds in the mpc via the midi data from Sonar?"

I know that the MPC's sequencer is better that is why I bought the MPC in the first place. I am just trying to learn more options that I have open to me.

You mentioned learning the legnth of notes in tics... Can you explain?

Tics define note length/duration. They can be edited in any mpc in step edit mode. When you got em down you can type in note values to correct or perfect edits and what not by adding or subtracting values. And dont forget your to multiply and devide as needed (half as short.. twice as long). The rest is just in moving the notes. Just hold shift and scroll to select several notes and then move them to a desired startpoint. This emulates the same thing you can do with a mouse in your computer based sequencer. The timing is a tone better because of the amount of tics.

The notes are all in fractional relation to one bar.
Tics are editable in the D: text field in the step edit mode.

NOTE TICS
1/1: 3840
1/2: 1920
1/4: 960
1/8: 480
1/16: 240
1/32: 120
1/64: 60
1/124: 30
and so on...

But I recomend working at twice tempo so it doubles the amount of tics for more exact timing. You just gota remember that your notes are half as short so you gota use a note that is twice as long. For example if you worked at 80bpm you would switch your bpm to 160bmp. And if you wanted to make an 1/8 that is usualy at 480 would now be the same length as a 1/4 wich is 960.

Computers are better sound sources than sequencers, but their midi capabilities with programs like logic and modulare software is superior.
Just use sonare to slave vst to your mpc and record your tracks to.