west coast producers

Toecutter wrote: A good example would be how Rza was influenced by Prince Paul and Rza surpassed him in leaps and bounds as far as experimentation, sound, and achievements.

You HAVE to give Paul as much respect, if not more though......because he wrote the book on sampling. He didn't just influence Rza, he changed the whole landscape of hiphop, and made Rza's innovations possible. With 3 Ft. High & Rising, he opened the door which every other producer including us has gone through. Before that album, people were only sampling James Brown loops, and maybe some other funk breaks.....but Prince Paul flipped the script and opened everyone's minds to basically sample any and every style - and still be hiphop. Just listen to the albums and singles that came out before 3ft. High.......then listen to everything that came out after that. There's almost a visible line there dividing the two eras.

Oh yeah, and Prince Paul invented the hiphop skit with that record as well. Any hiphop record with skits (including The Wu) is a product of Paul's innovation.

I mean, looking back from this point, it's hard to have perspective on that record.......but at the time it came out - it sounded sooooo different and new and innovative - it blew my mind.

Don't get me wrong, respect due to Rza, because he's been innovative and influencial himself.........., it's kinda like Rza walked on the moon too -- but Prince Paul discovered the moon.

was Prince Paul the first one to chop up drum breaks into single sounds (kick- snare- hi hat-....) and then resequence a new drum pattern with his SP ?

cos other producers were only looping drumbreaks at the time right ?

BBoy2005 wrote:was Prince Paul the first one to chop up drum breaks into single sounds (kick- snare- hi hat-....) and then resequence a new drum pattern with his SP ?

cos other producers were only looping drumbreaks at the time right ?

As far as I know, that was Marley Marl's innovation.

What Paul was doing though, to get around short sampling times of the sampers of that era........ he would sample stuff, and then layer his loops etc. on a 4-track cassette recorder to get a big thick mass of stuff going on, and then sample it back into the sampler. An engineer I once knew who worked with Paul, P.E., etc. told me that first hand.

i think the cat that really popularized the chopping of breaks was primo. Before him, cats were using drum loops, but throwing 808s on em. Large pro, ditc, marley, all the producers of that era. Primo strat flipping breaks and rocking the chopped up drums.

binger0 wrote:i think the cat that really popularized the chopping of breaks was primo. Before him, cats were using drum loops, but throwing 808s on em. Large pro, ditc, marley, all the producers of that era. Primo strat flipping breaks and rocking the chopped up drums.

IT Was PRIMO n PETE + Large PRO But MARLEY DID THIS First!!!!!!!!!!


And He Said IT Wasn't Intentional At First But IT Started to Sound Good So they Kept IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And That's The Chop in A Nutshell.............................

I Notice West Coast buls don't like Sample Based Hip Hop to much. Any Reasons to why not?? I have my theories, but........

thanx for the info y all

jus listening to some Big Daddy Kane from 1990 and it def sounds like chopped drums


yo Philly, what s your theory about the lack of samples in the newer west coast sound ?

one The Neptunes, theyre from Irvine, CA. I know sometimes they produce some pop azz shite, but look at there catalog of work, in a relatively short amount of time, and at a young age. There style and sound isn't og west coast, but to me its not east or south coast either, they invented there own west coast sound, and they produce for a wide variety of artist from both sides of the states, they may not be the greatest now but they have the potential for legend status, i realize they are a group and not a single producer, but yall talkin about dre, and he always works with somebody.

aint the neptunes from Virginia?

yea, i dont think the Neptunes are from Irvine, or are from the Westcoast for that matter...

VA^^^^^^^

yeah yall are right, i don't know why the f**k i thought the neps were from cali

itchyvinyl wrote:Oh yeah, and Prince Paul invented the hiphop skit with that record as well. Any hiphop record with skits (including The Wu) is a product of Paul's innovation.
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Listen to Eazy Duz It.....

Philly Stress wrote:I Notice West Coast buls don't like Sample Based Hip Hop to much. Any Reasons to why not?? I have my theories, but........

? what about all of nwa, ice cube, west coast connection, exibit, death row, the funk samples thouse cats were using were off the chain. Dre was rocking the meters and zapp like a mofo. In the indie scene over there thouse cats are doing crazy shit with samples. The only cats not using samples in the west anymore are the real real pop acts. And they are just trying to fit in with the commercial scene that is prevelant everywhere.

its gotta be madlib, pb wolf and J rawls for me. Dr Dre tru genius