Timing Problem

Well I have had my 1k for about 3 days and in those 3 days I have made zero tracks....Wait that me say that again....ZERO tracks....Ever since I got it I have had nothing but timing problems....Everything I record does not come out in time....I have never had any type of timing problems until I got the 1k....Been making beats for about 4 years and never had this problem....Now I see that ONE was having these problems and is selling his (if not already sold) because of this and other reasons I'm sure....Has this happen to anyone else and does anyone know how to fix it?....Thanks!!!!

There is a few things that will give you better timing. You can double the resolution by doubling up the tempo and bars, but if you make a mistake it's really cumbersome going through step edit to make your edits. It's just a tad bit more confusing to locate the problem areas and such you want to edit.

You can also mess with the time signature. I found that if I put up the time signature to at least 16/16 the timing greatly improved instead of leaving it at 4/4. Mess with the timing signatures. It should help you out a bit more.

But yeah, the 1k has different timing and different swing than the other MPC's. The swing is either extremely rigid, just plain off time, or sounds like a gawd damn horses gallop (it's kinda funny, totally unusable unless you wanna make a comedy track or something), but whatever, there are things you can do to make the timing a little more pleasing to the ears. It's evidenced by cats who do manage and barely get by with it.

I had a 4k and the 1k and used a 60. My ears and experience tell me the differences. Too bad cats get defensive about nonsense. I can't believe I had to battle a bunch of nitwits about it, and I am still being "called out" about it for wanting to switch to something with better timing when none of my 4k beats had timing issues, and I switched Mpc's like this........... MPC 1k (6 months), 4k (10 months), 1k again (3 months), was using and still is using the MPC's as a complete standalone and only recently within the past 3 months got other gear besides an MPC, and it was just stuff for recording and mixing and monitoring. Lots of losers and hypocrites on this site, and cats who are just plain wrong.

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never had any issues with my 1ks timing. i've heard others say the same thing and the only thing i can figure is its all in yalls heads OR you got a crappy 1k. can you explain the problem further, do you use TC, double tempo, anything like that? u waitin til after your 4th metronome click? sometimes its some lil shit holdin peeps back.

pad-ophiliac wrote:never had any issues with my 1ks timing. i've heard others say the same thing and the only thing i can figure is its all in yalls heads OR you got a crappy 1k. can you explain the problem further, do you use TC, double tempo, anything like that? u waitin til after your 4th metronome click? sometimes its some lil **** holdin peeps back.

Word, it's little things you gotta do to improve the timing of it. Just experiment. If you are coming from something that had timing that was more loose it's going to take a bit of getting used to. You gotta do some tweaking. It doesn't have dope timing straight out the box like other gear. But I outlined some ideas for you to mess with. I also want to add I didn't start getting the kinda time I liked until I started to mess heavily with time signatures. I think it's key to having good timing on the 1k.

Hope this helps you.

just for the record, my 1k did, always has, and still does have dope timing straight out the box without any tweaking at all. had er about 8 months now and never gonna give er up.

pad-ophiliac wrote:just for the record, my 1k did, always has, and still does have dope timing straight out the box without any tweaking at all. had er about 8 months now and never gonna give er up.

What kinda stuff you make Pad?

Well its defiantly not in my head....The fact that it's a crappy 1k has a possiblity....I havn't really tired messing with the time correct because I shouldn't have to do that....I know how to keep time so when I play something in time it should play back like that....Didn't pay all this money for nothing....I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything but thats the way it should work....The fact that I am used to the tritons clicks and the fact that the pads are a little stiff probably doesn't help either!!!!

LaJProd wrote:Well its defiantly not in my head....The fact that it's a crappy 1k has a possiblity....I havn't really tired messing with the time correct because I shouldn't have to do that....I know how to keep time so when I play something in time it should play back like that....Didn't pay all this money for nothing....I am not trying to be sarcastic or anything but thats the way it should work....The fact that I am used to the tritons clicks and the fact that the pads are a little stiff probably doesn't help either!!!!

Are you a keyboardist? Are you using the 1k to supplement the triton?

Yeah I play keys....I have been producing for 4 years (all original) and got an MPC to expand to a little sampling....Which I can pretty much do with other equipment I have but can't really filter good with my other things!!!!

dat hippidy hoppidy. always around 90-100 bpm without trouble. then i finally decided to try the double tempo thing without any probs. when i started doublin up i adjusted the time sig to 8/4, TC to 1/8 to compensate and after those adjustments i still didn't notice a difference in the method or sound of my productions. i still use the double tempo method cuz you can fit more shit in the same amount of space which is real nice. and i'm not disputing what you say ONE, just defending the 1k based on my experience with the machine.

That's cool Pad. I hear were you are coming from. I didn't have a problem at all with the 1k when I first owned it. It was after trying other stuff and getting experience with those and then coming back to the 1k that I noticed you just couldn't pull off the same things on the 1k as the others without some tweakage, experimentation, and a lot more time. I'm not saying at all that dope stuff can't be made on it, or cannot have dope timing, I'm just saying you can achieve it, but it's more time consuming, based on my experience.

Also, timing is kinda subjective. What one person finds is desirable timing another person might not like at all, and it won't feel right to them. I got tracks with the 1k that have the timing I want, others I don't, but I gotta tell you the timing that I desired wasn't achieved on out the box settings. That's for sure.

Well I have fixed it some....Have no clue what I did but when I turned on the machine for the first time....Timing was horrible....I defiantly don't want to fix it every time I record something....Especially since I know how to keep could time....Not saying people who fix it don't, just saying I don't have the patients for all that since I can record everything on my triton with no problems!!!!

LaJProd wrote:Well I have fixed it some....Have no clue what I did but when I turned on the machine for the first time....Timing was horrible....I defiantly don't want to fix it every time I record something....Especially since I know how to keep could time....Not saying people who fix it don't, just saying I don't have the patients for all that since I can record everything on my triton with no problems!!!!

I hear you loud and clear homie..... it's all about preference. You no like....it's not a big deal....get something you like better, and call it a wrap.

That's if that is what you want to do after all. Don't let anyone tell you what you should and shouldn't work with. If it ain't right for you....only you can be the judge of that.

ONE wrote:I hear you loud and clear homie..... it's all about preference. You no like....it's not a big deal....get something you like better, and call it a wrap.

Yeah I was afraid that this might happen....I'll keep playing with it for a while but with no luck....I'll go grab a Motif....Thanks for all the help!!!!

LaJProd wrote:

ONE wrote:I hear you loud and clear homie..... it's all about preference. You no like....it's not a big deal....get something you like better, and call it a wrap.

Yeah I was afraid that this might happen....I'll keep playing with it for a while but with no luck....I'll go grab a Motif....Thanks for all the help!!!!

No prob. Hope things work out for you.

Peace!