Does the 3000 have an undo button like the 2000

hydroslanger wrote:= a guy that hasnt mastered is caft is putting out the best beats right now.

KW is not putting out the best beats....

maybe hes not, but better than anyone thats wining about people not using the search all the time and love to take a week to figure out something they dont understand instead of asking.

Boogie Man wrote:

hydroslanger wrote:= a guy that hasnt mastered is caft is putting out the best beats right now.

KW is not putting out the best beats....

Whatever Boogie Man.....see it's people like you that just.....just...Kanye is the greatest of all time and I resent that comment.

jahrome, you are retelling a story and introducing many inaccuracies. roger linn designed the MPC with Akai's help and sampler technology, it was largely based on the concepts developed in the linn 9000, and the Linn midi Studio, which if you look at the picture very clearly resembles the MPC in form and function, and is pre akai.



anyhow, all i'm saying is I welcome more accurate details to the story, but when you just tell us what we already know and act like you're speaking some sort of gospel, it just doesn;t help things.

MPC3000LE said Akai didn;t wrote the OS, considering that he studied the OS and rewrote it, he probably knows a few things that are not in the internet stories you refer to. most internet stories that don;t come from the horse's mouth tend to have many innacurracies, including yours and mine. Fortunately we have people here who know those who were there and when they speak I listen. I just thought i'd help you out since your info was pretty general and innacurate and i have never seen either from members MPC3000LE or MPC3000 for that matter.

I'm all for new information and clarifications, but what you say at least has to make sense with what we already know,

That Linn box is pretty hot. It looks like you carry it around like those old portable computers.

jahrome wrote:No, I am not new to this forum. I just rarely post but read plenty of what's going on in the threads. In fact, I sold quite a few MPCs to the catz that are on this site.

Indeed Jahrome ... you are not new to this forum.

http://www.mpc-forums.com/viewtopic.php?t=2874

jahrome wrote:Yes, I do know the story of Akai and Roger Linn. It is no big secret. You can find the entire history on the internet. You are playing with words when you/anyone says that Akai didn't invent the OS in the first place. .

What you appear to know based on how you word yourself seems only to be based on internet rumors and a few industry gossip stories.

IE: The stuff allowed for public consumption and subsequent mis-interpretation on the rumour mill.

Of course you could always back up your statement about AKAI being the OS inventors ...

IE: Provide some facts.

jahrome wrote:As far as Akai and Roger Linn...I wasn't there when they researched or developed the MPC 60/3000.

Oh ... so that is how you know so much about the development phase and contractual arrangements between AKAI and the people they contract out the software development work to.

jahrome wrote:I rarely had any troubles with OS 3.11. There really is no reason to do anything else with it.

No reason to do anything else with it based on ... ahhhm ... what again

jahrome wrote:I am not into programming...but I suspect that there is not much more you can do with the MPC 3000 without updating some of its hardware.

Suspect due to suspicion ? Suspicion leads to further suspicion ...

It is called the SNAFU principle ... a game without end.

So to continue ... My suspicion ? You know little of the hardware.

16 mHz CPU NEC-V53 ( an INTEL 286 on steroids ) + ROM + RAM + SOFTWARE + L6028DSP-A CHIP = the basis for what became many of AKAI's sampling products:

S2800, S3000, S3200XL, S2000, S3000XL, S3200XL, MPC3000, MPC3000LE, MPC2000, MPC2000XL and a lot of other stuff too.

That is quite a bit of machinery, with a vastly different feature set in some cases to the MPC3000.

...on the same basic hardware.

Got me ?

jahrome wrote:I am talking about graphic waveform editing..time stretch...and other sample editing tools. I could be wrong though...but until a 3rd party comes along and does that..its gospel.

Who's gospel Jahrome ? Consider that you may indeed be wrong.

The third party is already putting the wheels in motion.

Consider this too.

The other great cult samplers of all time didn't have graphic waveform editing. eg. MPC60, EPS/ASR, SP12/SP1200, EIII ...
...and, where time stretch is concerned. Wouldn't you rather do it some where else other than the MPC3000

jahrome wrote:Again...there is nothing I need from that OS upgrade. I have been fully aware of the OS upgrades posted at that MPC 3000 site. I just never felt the need to mess with a perfectly good machine for no good reason.
Peace.

The current OS updates don't mess with your machine, your sounds, songs or head.

No ones forcing you to use the updates or otherwise Jahrome.

The choice is yours.

It's there on floppy for free for now.

Available at a minimal charge for ROMS.

...and in a constant state of development for the future.

From one MPC3000 Fanatik to another ... PEACE !

Rohan.

Originally posted by mpc3000le

What you appear to know based on how you word yourself seems only to be based on internet rumors and a few industry gossip stories.

IE: The stuff allowed for public consumption and subsequent mis-interpretation on the rumour mill.

Of course you could always back up your statement about AKAI being the OS inventors ...

IE: Provide some facts.

The information I received on the matter was taken directly from the Akai USA site. It is no longer there. The same things you are talking about..I can reverse and throw the statements right back at you.

Did Roger Linn’s company fold in the early/mid 80’s? Yes.

Did Akai resurrect his career? Yes. He went from owning his own company to working for a competitor.

What ever role Roger Linn played in designing the early MPCs (I have some information on the way about this), who foot the bill for research and development? Akai. In other words…no Akai..no MPC.

I am not taking away anything from Mr. Linn. Since this is mainly an MPC forum…it is probably blasphemy to speak his name in vain. But Akai has since moved on and created 5 new MPCs without his help.

More on this later….

Originally posted by mpc3000le

Oh ... so that is how you know so much about the development phase and contractual arrangements between AKAI and the people they contract out the software development work to.

My original statement about Akai was from information that use to be posted on Akai’s website. Since elmacaco chimed in to let me know that I was greatly mistaken..I replied back by saying that I will not get into a contest to show who is bigger in the little boys room since I wasn’t there when they ironed out the contracts.

quote:

Originally posted by jahrome:
I rarely had any troubles with OS 3.11. There really is no reason to do anything else with it.

Reply:
Originally posted by mpc3000le
No reason to do anything else with it based on ... ahhhm ... what again

This is based on my experience with the MPC 3000 version 3.11, which was the last officially released update from Akai.

In the past 9 years since this OS was released..some 3rd parties have put out updates to this OS that has ‘fixed’ known bugs.

I can honestly say that if I use my MPC 3000LE, 100s of times, I may receive an error maybe once. Every time the MPC 3000 site puts out a new update..I took a look at what was fixed or added. I have never seen anything that would benefit me in creating any music or really improve my work flow. So that is what MY statement is based on.

Originally posted by mpc3000le

Suspect due to suspicion ? Suspicion leads to further suspicion ...

It is called the SNAFU principle ... a game without end.

So to continue ... My suspicion ? You know little of the hardware.

16 mHz CPU NEC-V53 ( an INTEL 286 on steroids ) + ROM + RAM + SOFTWARE + L6028DSP-A CHIP = the basis for what became many of AKAI's sampling products:

S2800, S3000, S3200XL, S2000, S3000XL, S3200XL, MPC3000, MPC3000LE, MPC2000, MPC2000XL and a lot of other stuff too.

That is quite a bit of machinery, with a vastly different feature set in some cases to the MPC3000.

...on the same basic hardware.

Got me ?

I got you…you just threw some technical specifications at me. You really do have too much time on your hands..almost as much as I do.

It’s been almost 10 years since the last official update for the MPC 3000. The MPC 3000 shares the same basic hardware? C’mon…there is something essential that is missing from the MPC 3000..or we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation. As a sampler..the S3000 murders the MPC 3000...91 second knock-out. They were both released in the early 90’s about the same time..so it makes sense that they may have similar parts…but its been a decade. Akai and Roger Linn has no interest in doing anything else with the MPC 3000. Any no third party programmer has done anything with the MPC 3000s OS to make it 25% of the power of the S3000. Over a decade! Why? Because it can’t be done with the hardware that it currently has.

So if you are asking people to believe in yours or anyone else theory that they can make the MPC 3000 sampler better…you will have to provide more than some slick statements. 3rd party developers haven’t done anything to improve the MPC 3000s sequencer. Only some minor few tweaks of collateral functions.

Originally posted by mpc3000le

Who's gospel Jahrome ? Consider that you may indeed be wrong.

The third party is already putting the wheels in motion.

Consider this too.

The other great cult samplers of all time didn't have graphic waveform editing. eg. MPC60, EPS/ASR, SP12/SP1200, EIII ...
...and, where time stretch is concerned. Wouldn't you rather do it some where else other than the MPC3000

Putting wheels in motion….its been 10 years. Improved sampler…improved sequencer?? Or the ability to format zip disks a new way…or a track mute function??? I’ll be the first to sing their praise if something substantial is released…not just another bug fix that rarely occurs unless you hold down the shift button and turn on the MPC…

I know that these early primary drum machines didn’t have graphic waveform editing…but the S series samplers do..which you stated that they have the same basic parts of the MPC 3000. No?

Time stretch is on every sampler newly released that cost more then a few hundred dollars. So it is already somewhere else. But we are talking the MPC 3000. Would I like this feature..hell yes. Will it ever come..I say no. That will never happen. That is my story and I am sticking to it. Maybe my statement will give someone a Vision and motivation to achieve the seemingly impossible. Again..almost 10 years since the last significant upgrade. I may be wrong..but I may be right. Currently, the odds are in my favor.

Originally posted by mpc3000le

The current OS updates don't mess with your machine, your sounds, songs or head.

No ones forcing you to use the updates or otherwise Jahrome.

The choice is yours.

It's there on floppy for free for now.

Available at a minimal charge for ROMS.

...and in a constant state of development for the future.

From one MPC3000 Fanatik to another ... PEACE !

Rohan.

I know I have a choice..and I choose not to update..no point. My MPC 3000LE works fine.

I already stated what I read from Akai..which I cannot prove but I will look to bolster or correct my statements. I am a grown azz man...working a job that I have to supervise 30 plus employees....I have no problem admitting any mistakes or misquotes I make...

Now, this is Roger Linn's side of the story...I did say Roger Linn..no paraphrasing:

After the close of Linn Electronics, Roger Linn formed an alliance with Akai Corporation of Japan to design products similar to those of Linn Electronics. The first result of that collaboration was the Akai MPC60 MIDI Production Center, a full-featured sampling drum machine and MIDI sequencer released in 1988. Similar in concept to the Linn 9000, it featured a large 8 line LCD display, up to 26 seconds of 12 bit non-linear sampling at 40 kHz sampling rate, 16 simultaneous voices, 2 MIDI inputs and 4 MIDI outputs. In 1991, the MPC60 was succeeded by the MPC60-II, internally the same machine but with a headphone jack and a less expensive case design. Known for its warm sound and exceptional rhythmic feel, the MPC60 and MPC60-II live on today with the addition of the version 3.10 software upgrade and the Marion Systems SCSI hard disk interface, both sold by none other than Roger Linn Design.

Released in 1988, the Akai ASQ10 Digital Sequencer was essentially the sequencer section of the MPC60, without the sound generator or drum pads.

Released in 1994, the Akai MPC3000 MIDI Production Center improved upon the MPC60 by adding stereo sampling, 16 bit linear 44.1 kHz sampling up to nearly 6 minutes, effects, dynamic digital filters, 32 voices, multiple drum sets in memory, a SCSI port, and more. The MPC3000 is the last product of the Akai/Roger Linn collaboration. In 1997, Akai released the less expensive MPC2000. Although the MPC2000 draws substantially from Roger Linn's MPC60 and MPC3000 design ideas, Roger Linn was not involved in the design of the MPC2000.


Roger Linn Designs

jahrome wrote:I already stated what I read from Akai..which I cannot prove but I will look to bolster or correct my statements. I am a grown azz man...working a job that I have to supervise 30 plus employees....I have no problem admitting any mistakes or misquotes I make...

Now, this is Roger Linn's side of the story...I did say Roger Linn..no paraphrasing:

Roger Linn's more candid interview appears here:

I've pointed directly to page three. By all means though feel free to step back through the whole interview.

SONIC-STATE-EMAG wrote:
http://www.sonicstate.com/articles/arti ... =71&page=3

RL: Stephen Paine, the founder of London's Syco Systems, make the introduction. It was a good fit because Akai needed a creative designer with ideas and I didn't want to do sales, marketing, finance or manufacturing, all of which Akai was very good at. The MPC concept was an attempt to properly re-engineer the Linn 9000, the high-end sampling drum machine / sequencer and last major product of my former company.

SS: So the MPC was pretty much all your work then? RL: Not entirely. I created the entire function design including the panel layout, software and hardware specification, then created the software together with my team. The hardware circuitry was actually created by a very smart English engineer named David Cockerell and his team. Then Akai did the production engineering, making it more manufacturable. SS: How long did you work with Akai and what was the highlight of that relationship for you?

RL: We collaborated until Akai decided to make their MPC2000 without me in order to avoid my design royalties.

Where public available information is concerned the above interview clip represents a more accurate account of the development.

Anything more did not make the interview and is covered by NDA due to legal stuff.

Cool and peace.

Rohan.

Roger Linn's more candid interview appears here:

I've pointed directly to page three. By all means though feel free to step back through the whole interview.

It was a candid interview. The info I just posted is currently displayed on Roger Linns website.

Now from your own post...it states that Roger Linn designed the software with his team. His team?? They were employed by Akai..no?? Akai is not an individual..it is a cooperation. They hire employees to create projects. Employees don't get the full credit for any of the products. Roger Linn went out of business. Akai were still manufacturing samplers and musical instruments. Leaders of a company formulate a vision for the future. They hire, develop, motivate employees to fulfil the vision.

So..the point where this thread strayed was when the quote was made that 'Akai' didn't do the OS of the MPC 3000. Again..from your article..Roger Linn and his team worked together to create the OS....Akai employees on their pay role...is that not Akai?? We are just playing with words now? Roger Linn sounds like he was a partner..but actually was an employee. He worked for them, not the other way around.

jahrome wrote:This is based on my experience with the MPC 3000 version 3.11, which was the last officially released update from Akai.

The last OS released while the machine was still manufactured ( not re-issued ) by AKAI and the development relationship between Roger Linn's team and AKAI was still intact.

jahrome wrote:In the past 9 years since this OS was released..some 3rd parties have put out updates to this OS that has ‘fixed’ known bugs.

Correct that statement.

Roger Linn Design released 3.12 to allow the import of split disks created with and MPC60 loaded with 3.10 of his OS.

3.12 still has the AKAI name on it as the OS was released while their development relationship was on the border of being still intact and Roger had negotiated to be the provider of the updated MPC60 OS.

Anything else to date since then has been my effort, in my spare time.

jahrome wrote:I can honestly say that if I use my MPC 3000LE, 100s of times, I may receive an error maybe once. Every time the MPC 3000 site puts out a new update..I took a look at what was fixed or added. I have never seen anything that would benefit me in creating any music or really improve my work flow. So that is what MY statement is based on.

Cool ... makes perfect sense. It doesn't have any changes that affect you so leave it well alone.

jahrome wrote:I got you…you just threw some technical specifications at me. You really do have too much time on your hands..almost as much as I do.

Too much time on my hands Throwing specs at you

I could throw circuit diagrams, schematic overlays and parts lists too but to be honest ... don't see the point.

jahrome wrote:It’s been almost 10 years since the last official update for the MPC 3000. The MPC 3000 shares the same basic hardware? C’mon…there is something essential that is missing from the MPC 3000..or we probably wouldn’t be having this conversation.

Well ... let us talk vintage and similar issue S model.

Jahrome ... same basic hardware ... different box ... different software.

The MPC 3000 mainboard is actually a little more advanced than the one in an S3000 and has an improved RAM interfacing bus architecture.

jahrome wrote:As a sampler..the S3000 murders the MPC 3000...91 second knock-out.

Shame it doesn't share the MPC feature set of the MPC 3000 in return.

jahrome wrote:They were both released in the early 90’s about the same time..so it makes sense that they may have similar parts…but its been a decade. Akai and Roger Linn has no interest in doing anything else with the MPC 3000.

Jahrome ... the actual reason is way more complex than that.

It involves business models and contactual arrangments that went belly up a long time ago.

jahrome wrote:Any no third party programmer has done anything with the MPC 3000s OS to make it 25% of the power of the S3000. Over a decade! Why? Because it can’t be done with the hardware that it currently has.

The reason why no updates have been done in any capacity have 75% squat all to do with the hardware present in the machine.

jahrome wrote:So if you are asking people to believe in yours or anyone else theory that they can make the MPC 3000 sampler better…you will have to provide more than some slick statements. 3rd party developers haven’t done anything to improve the MPC 3000s sequencer. Only some minor few tweaks of collateral functions.

Slick statements You want slick Don't get me started Jahrome.

jahrome wrote:Putting wheels in motion….its been 10 years. Improved sampler…improved sequencer?? Or the ability to format zip disks a new way…or a track mute function??? I’ll be the first to sing their praise if something substantial is released…not just another bug fix that rarely occurs unless you hold down the shift button and turn on the MPC…

I haven't found the SHIFT button on the MPC3000 Jahrome

If you're going to be sarcastic about the changes so far then at least reference your commencts against some thing of actual meaning.

Some wheels need a little push to get them rolling Jahrome.

jahrome wrote:I know that these early primary drum machines didn’t have graphic waveform editing…but the S series samplers do..which you stated that they have the same basic parts of the MPC 3000. No?

That is a SOFTWARE thing Jahrome. Has 100% of squat all to do with the hardware.

jahrome wrote:Time stretch is on every sampler newly released that cost more then a few hundred dollars. So it is already somewhere else. But we are talking the MPC 3000.

Yep ... you're right.

It's a slow as shit on just about every S series pre the 5000 and 6000 ( which use far faster hardware )

Pretty damn slow on the 2000XL too when I used it last night.

jahrome wrote:Would I like this feature..hell yes. Will it ever come..I say no. That will never happen. That is my story and I am sticking to it.

Maybe I'll be including the feature ... but it is not at the top of my list.

There is lots of other stuff that is in development and nearing finalisation prior to including mickey mouse features like time stretching.

jahrome wrote:Maybe my statement will give someone a Vision and motivation to achieve the seemingly impossible. Again..almost 10 years since the last significant upgrade. I may be wrong..but I may be right. Currently, the odds are in my favor.

Don't let your arrogance and ignorance get in the way of your judgment Jahrome.

I am the current developer and there is lot more in the pipeline going on with OS development for the MPC3000 than you are likely to made privy to any time soon.

Are you getting this yet ?

Peace.

Rohan.

Jeez, jahrome, you on the akai cheerleading squad or something? or are you just a corporate patsy that loves the whole corporate thing? So weird.

Akai was never a competitor of Linn, Linn made drum machines and sequencers, sampling drum machines later, akai never made anything like that until they hired Linn.

jeez man I still can;t believe you feel like your story is accurate, you are clearly backpedalling and just trying to defend what you said before using fast talking that your employees might not call you out on, but everyone notices. in fact you're just digging a deeper hole and you're filling it with Bullshyt...quickly.

yo
I started messing with the 3000 last night, and its not THAT problematic w/o undo, but believe me that button is comfortable (in a good way)

wait until you use it more. People have left their Xl's for 60's, there is a reason, it's not the individual features but the experience of the whole machine.

yea, the 2k filter sounds like human krap in the flesh