Emulating the Mpc 3000

I was wondering which of the stand alone samplers that akai has produced has the same guts as the sampler in the Mpc 3000?

I heard it was the s3000, but would that include the s3000xl?

What I was thinking of doing since I already own a 4000 was getting the s3000 or s3000xl, if they had the same guts and sound, and just slaving it to the Mpc 4000 to emulate the Mpc 3000.

So my question is: Are there anyway features or usefull charectoristics of the Mpc 3000 that I would be missing out on by doing this including such things as the systems logic, working method based on layout, velocity sensitivity, most importantly the sound, or anything else you guys can think of? Because I know there are major benifits to simplicity.

Oh and just to extend the question of what s series sampler is in an Mpc... What is the internal sampler that is in the Mpc 60?

Thanks!

buy a s950..

incurablebeatlust wrote:buy a s950..

Because it has the best sound of the s series samplers? And which Mpc does it have the same guts as, the Mpc 3000 or 60? Sorry to ask specifics but im into that.

use the search.

from what ive read and heard...(heresay basicly)

s950 is the same sampling engine as the MPC60, of course the s950 has way more sample editing power because it is a SAMPLER and not an MPC..

the s3000 & s3000xl (again this is heresay, im not an expert in this field) have the same sampling engine as the MPC3000, of course the s series stuff has much more extensive sample editing features, because again they are SAMPLERS and not MPCs...

i dont know much bout the s3000s or the mpc3000(except what is similair in the mpc60), but if you have any questions about the s950 or the mpc60, hit me up, i know those two pretty good...

Buy an old emu , s3000 are ok but i don't think they have anything special , emu do ( and you can't go wrong for the price ) . that's it for the 16 bit . you'd rather buy a 12 bit one like incurablebeatlust says , the limitation of old samplers will make you think things in a new way .

pieuvre wrote:Buy an old emu , s3000 are ok but i don't think they have anything special , emu do ( and you can't go wrong for the price ) . that's it for the 16 bit . you'd rather buy a 12 bit one like incurablebeatlust says , the limitation of old samplers will make you think things in a new way .

Word.. Thats what im looking to do "think things in a new way". Ive learned alot moving around from different audio platforms to others, and I figured I would go for the older akai equipment so I can truly learn the benifits of the newer machines. Not just in contrasting features, but as far as logic implementation goes so I can see the steps made with the technology. I think looking at these steps should give me new increments with which to think and compile strategies and methods with. But if the emu samplers are pre akai that would def be a route I would look into. Would you say sp12 or sp1200? And are the emu's special cuz of the filters in comparison to the older akai's or is it just a difference in crunchyness? And yes to the 12 bit and no to the 16 bit cuz the 16bit gets me bored.. I learned my 2000xl and was done with it not to long after..

Yeah threshed, i'm with you on that, most 16 bit just leaves me flat. What MPC do you use now?

I gotta agree with pieuvre, the 16 bit emus are incredible, E4k, Esynth, E5000 e6400 all them joints are the pinnicle of samplers compared with omething like the S3000.

I gotta agree with pieuvre, the 16 bit emus are incredible, E4k, Esynth, E5000 e6400 all them joints are the pinnicle of samplers compared with omething like the S3000.

I own an e5000, and never really managed to use it properly. The beast is complex and not user friendly. In terms of sound, its 16bit clean, and I fail to see the originality. The filters are wild, though.

The people who have shown me it's potential have been those who use it as their main or go to piece. who basically do everything on it. I guess you're right, I don;t remember it being too user friendly, but it didn't seem terrible.

I have a theory that once you start using more than 2 or 3 samplers at once the others tend to take the back seat and you never really need them, not sure if thats been your experience max.

PS When you gonna dust off that 60II ?

You're right, mastering the e5000 takes more time than I've been willing to dedicate. I might go back to it one day, and that's why I keep it.

I promise I am going to dust off my 60, and post a beat solely made on it. I already cleaned it up the other day in preparation.

i just had an esi 32 from a homie here for a few days - so cant really say much - but the lil bit i v seen was dope ... its filters (mmmh 4lp) and lfos are great imo - for its sound and ease of editing ... quite different as 4k ... wider range - and instead of the 4ks 0-100 ranges the emu has hz and khz values ... on display it goes up til 70 khz ... also the vowalizer on the 4k seems a weak atempt to clone the emu vocalizer imo ... user friendlyness (knobs and modes) of the esi 32 is quite ok imo ... as said - i only had it a few days but i found my way through it ...

downsides imo - loading samples was very slow - only discettes (scsi-hd as an oprion), sample editing to get used too - no graphical editing, also - not sure here - but i think its output level is very low (maybe i just didnt find the setting), it only has one main out (dunno whether expandable) ...

anyways if i ll get another sampler most likely it will be an emu - and i d look into some other models as the 32 - maybe some of the emu models el mentioned up there ... good luck with ur choice

max1973 wrote:I promise I am going to dust off my 60, and post a beat solely made on it. I already cleaned it up the other day in preparation.

"There's no stopping what can't be stopped, no killin what can't be killed"

You got the upgrades for it yet? you might be the second to make their 3000 lonley after pimpin out the 60

elmacaco wrote:Yeah threshed, i'm with you on that, most 16 bit just leaves me flat. What MPC do you use now?

I gotta agree with pieuvre, the 16 bit emus are incredible, E4k, Esynth, E5000 e6400 all them joints are the pinnicle of samplers compared with omething like the S3000.

Im on the 4000.. 24bit psychoacoustics. I can't get over the fact that you arent hearing the difference with your ears, that it is actualy your brain interpeting and compensating for the higher frequency rate that the ears dont hang with. Brings a whole new meaning to headroom. My 4000 even makes sh!t sampled from the computer sound realy damn nice. I have everything riged into my mackie onyx 1640 and the second set of out from the mackie into the ins on the the 4000. All I have to say is DVD.

But back to the topic.. Besides the actual sound of the sampler what insight have the earlier samplers giving you that has changed your technique and perspective and how have they done that?

Mostly the fact that they were designed before samplers had conventions besides what was inherited from synths, but the thing is samplers didn;t take everything from synths, many took certain things but not others, and when you look at the way they work and you know about synth architecture and what is possible, it starts stretching your mind. You have to earn to think like them, and when the samplers had some genius behind them, it lets you catch a glimpse of that genius. Akai did the 900 and the 950 which became what everyone kind of knew as a sampler and it pretty much became the convention nd what we generally expect from a sampler, but others went different ways like the Emu ones that have complex mod routing and a different architecture, but later on in sampler history all samplers tend to move closer together as far as design, and there are less innovations and risks taken. Akai is fairly dissapointing with the later samplers, they have good features but they don;t take it as far as they can. they are riding Roger Linn's concept of the MPC as much as they can but miss some key elements, which seem weird. Roland is great wth concepts and nnovation but their samplers aren't that great to use, the itnerface side of it lacks. When you use older samplers that had nothing granted (emulator, mirage, eps, emax) some things are weird and seem backwards, butit's just because we got used to one way of doing things mostly.