Serato....

Who's using it?? Thoughts?????

i've messed around on it and have been planning on getting it for the last year or so...kinda waiting to see if anything better will come out.

everyone that i've spoken with agrees that its the best digital-vinyl simulation out, at least if you wanna scratch.

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peace.dope.

IMHO it's just another way to try to kill vinyl but i will never use it, i got 4 decks i rather use, and i rather carry my stuff to gigs , they make really easy to use handcarts now, not like before.
i just dig up mp3's to get an idea of what i'm searchin for on vinyl,

i did a gig last nite and my friend brought him lappy and just set it up but never got used , he dont have serato or thing like that just mp3's and it never got used. i think it's just extra crapp to bring along if you allready complainin about bring to much shizz then why would you bring someting thats not goin to get used,

dj e.d.e wrote:IMHO it's just another way to try to kill vinyl but i will never use it, i got 4 decks i rather use, and i rather carry my stuff to gigs , they make really easy to use handcarts now, not like before.
i just dig up mp3's to get an idea of what i'm searchin for on vinyl,

i feel you to a certain extent, but i know my funds can get low and i'm on some i wanna spin such and such's new joint at the club tonite so i'll limewire it and put in in the mix with the TTM1....

it aint vinyl, the feel of blending is still a lil off and you cant exactly mark a record and have it line up exactly how you would on a vinyl, but it gets the job done

sorry, but vinyl is already on the endangered species list.
but there will always be purists out there that will champion to keep it alive.

how can you say carryin a lappy out is more crap that several crates of wax?

i grant out that there is the laziness factor that makes this setup appealing, and i can see how some people say its cheating.
but there are simply put things you can do that you cannot with vinyl, and thats what's interesting for me, besides the fact that i want to archive all my vinyl anyways (see you in 5-10yrs)...i dont care how fast you are (on 2 tables), you can cue up tracks instantaneously, and if you love your records, you're not gonna be stackin them battle style.

BIG plus, that i think all of you can appreciate, is that you can spin out your own remixes and tracks!

i'll be buyin wax til i die no matter what else is out there, but i'm just about done haulin them crates around.


differentstrokes.dope.

My man, I feel you on this tip. It's as if they are making it to easy to be an Dj now a days. what ever happened to paying dues!!? I couldn't even touch my mentor's turns until I lugged this dudes wax to and from his gigs.The last time I seen this setup in action, was when Jazzy Jay came to town. First he used the labtop for newer joints then he went to the og's for those breaks. That was cool, but alot of these cats come with only their labtops and that to me is just weak. PAY THEM DUES!!!


ONE...

alright, when/if i get serato, i would still never leave home without a crate or atleast a bag for backup.

i'm down with payin dues, but yall are soundin like some phil hartman (RIP) cavemen up in here, scared of technology.

so i'm callin everyone out who aint mixin on some 19" radioshack mixer with some beltdrives...haters, lol.

btw, i consider my self a professional hater and caveman, so take it light.


.dope.

JOPHILLY wrote:My man, I feel you on this tip. It's as if they are making it to easy to be an Dj now a days. what ever happened to paying dues!!? I couldn't even touch my mentor's turns until I lugged this dudes wax to and from his gigs.The last time I seen this setup in action, was when Jazzy Jay came to town. First he used the labtop for newer joints then he went to the og's for those breaks. That was cool, but alot of these cats come with only their labtops and that to me is just weak. PAY THEM DUES!!!


ONE...

word ,
man i'm tryin to get this point across in the music i play, theres no respect the tru dj and the pioneers of this culture. it need to be etched or engraved in black gold of how things were done in this begining

yeah i admit it i'm scared of technology!!! it's just to much shizz to have to fuc with and if the shizz goes down you need alot to try and figure out where the problem is , with the traditional set up two turntables a mixer speakers and an amp and some crates of vinyl, a problem goes wrong, then you kno where to check .

last nite i straight rig'd the sh!t out a speaker that had cut out on us with just a business card(a piece of paper) let me see you do that with a computer or serato.
call me a hater, what ever!! the techology is not for me, is all. i dont want to feel i'm cheatin myself in doing something i love and which is now a tradition,
computers will cahnge every few months, next it will be weeks and days ,

the tech1200's have been around for 30 + yrs and they have changed very little ,there still built the same ,TO LAST. other companys want there rep, but technics cant give that or wont give it up.

but this is an on going argument, but theres no comparison analog to digital i dont care what people theres aclose comparison digital is so close, NO NO NO. there made differeent how you gonna compare thats like a square and a circle are they the same. i think not....

e.d.e.
i hope you know that i see your arguments and agree, but i'm trying to stay open to new things and stay away from extremes (not saying you aren't doing these things). i used to be a purist, but when i get on my tables nowadays, all i do is scratch or juggle, and some of the best dj performances i've seen of late involved the djs usin plates they pressed for their shows...and i want that capability without breakin the bank. IMO, for the turntable to evolve into the instrument it can be, the proper tools need to be in my kit.

and you'll notice that i never mentioned anything about the sound quality of digital vs. analog, i've been down that road, and these are arguments of subjectivity. i don't mind makin sacrifices for sound quality (i would still spin .wav as opposed to .mp3) for being able to do things i wouldn't otherwise.

to address another issue, i hate to say it, but djing is easy. all you need is time and money. the know-how and the passion for music are pluses, but not even necessary. i can appreciate payin homage to tradition and the pioneers as much as the next disciple of hip hop, but sht has changed alot since then, and when i hear someone like DXT play next to MMM, i can't help but feel bad for the former.

i realize that this is probably not the best forum to be discussing a so-called vinyl substitute, so i'll end the friendly discussion on my part for now.



peace.dope.

to address another issue, i hate to say it, but djing is easy. all you need is time and money. the know-how and the passion for music are pluses, but not even necessary. i can appreciate payin homage to tradition and the pioneers as much as the next disciple of hip hop, but sht has changed alot since then, and when i hear someone like DXT play next to MMM, i can't help but feel bad for the former.

whooa, that first sentence, thats the way you feel, i'll take that as your opinion, i have to disagree sure it just playing music an all, but it's not about sittin in front of a computer pullin up files, i have rocked many partys since 82 and some were easy and some were hard, i dont now if you dj live shows but i guantee you if you suck and play the wrong sh!t you will get boo'd and clown'd especially if your a scratch dj and battle dj , i have seen it happen many times and tell q-bert or shortkut, or any of the guys in ITF or DMC battles if it's easy, i think you'll get a different take,
i thought it was easy too, but you have to workhard to be recongnized in this business i have been spinin since i was 12 and i just now got a break at playin on the radio, i have done many partys and played many time on college radio i even had my own show on the net for 1 1/2 yrs and beleive me it wasnt easy to get where i'm at now , you may not know who i'am and may never know who i'am but thats just how it is, theres many types of dj's i know, but the hiphop dj is probally the hardest and most hard workin, dst(dxt) play next MMM why would you feel that way your seen history my man, your seen a dj who started the craze and another that watched him as a kid and took it to the next level now tell me those cats got an easy ride there. i think not!!!

dopedragon i aint coming at you in a bad way so dont take it like that , i feel you tho this topic probally would have been better in the offtopic as you would probally get a more wider opinion of people that dont use strickly vinyl like some of us in here. ukno?

peace bro

man its just a tool. U still have to supply the music. It has to be your own taste. I own it and i love it. I can carry all my shit on a lil harddrive that i would need like 10 crates to do that. All diff genres arranged by bpm and i can search thru the files. And its using wax so it retains the same exact feeling as carrying crates. Dont knock it till you tried it. Its one some next level shit. See the smart thing is to reocrd your vinyl to mp3 so u can use it. Then u have instant doubles, the abilty to use any audio at all to use in a set, like snippets from movies, your own beats, ANYTHING. It just gives you the abilty to get MADDDD creative and think outside the box. But it all comes down to the dj in the long run. It doestn come preloaded with heat, or makes you have instant skills. U still have to learn how to dj and pay dues. Nothing will make that easy. This just makes djing more interesting to me and allows me to get shit that i would never be able to find on wax, and use it just like i owned the 12". Ede u need to find someone with it though and test it out. All your doubts will be dissovled once you play with it. Its that raw.

i feel you , it's about taste. i dont knock the guys that use it, it's cool, like said it's just not for me , yeah i'll have to try it out sometime, but i'wont leave my crates for it tho i have invested to much time to learnin the skillz i have to just move to something else that i have to learn more about ukno? plus you can do those things with records too the movie clips and playin you own beats sure not as fast as you would with a computer but with a little time and money like dopedragon said it can be done press yourself some sounds and beats on a test press and there you go ,i understand the simpleness of every thing the computer has to offer, but i think thats why theres so much sh!t music out cause people rush things and dont take the time to learn the skill involed ukno?

hey binger have you ever dub'd a record of your and gone back and forth with the original and the serato copy , how does that feel can you feel a delay on that, or no? just curious.

Purity is always an interesting discussion in the hip hop world. I am most definately not a purist (as I look at my new cdj 800s) But I can really respect those people who want to keep it real. They will always be a part of the culture even as the culture evolves. Just as it is essential that classical musicians playing Haden or choirs doing gregorian chants. The fan base will always be there and the music preserved will always be sacred. In this day and age music and culture is looked at as being disposable it is nice to see that people can still hold something sacred and not just like the flavor of the day.


props ede for keeping it real and props to all those not following the dogma, at least your making music instead of watching TV.

Everyone's line is drawn in a different place. And that line is not always the same for all areas of hip hop. There are DJs that swear by vinyl but use samplers to make beats. If you really want to keep hip hop at its essence, create music with just turntables, records and a mic.

Personally, spinning records is too fun to give up, but I don't spin professionally much. Just an ocassional cookout or house party. For those doing gigs every weekend, I can understand going digital for the convenience. I just can't see the fun in it.

i really dont like the idea of serato and final scratch, their dope programs, but it takes the soul out of being a dj, everything is simplified, i mean dang its one thing to have all the wax and breaking your back taking it to a gig, then taking a bag with your laptop and two records, i dont feel how people can attain songs that you may have been looking for years and payed top money for, i guess its just me being the vinyl addict