Think of TimeStretching AS ?

The best way to explain this timestretching thing is from a DJ's point of veiw.
First .in using the timestretch,make sure the loop start and loop end is tight.
Second,use the Trim mode to edit the perfect loop cutting off unwanted sounds.

Three. while in Trim mode,hit edit then go to Timestretch. Look at the Original Tempo-this is the Sequence's Tempo set it and leave it along.
The New Tempo is the Sample's Tempo this is the one,that has to be change.So what your trying to do is beat match the sample to the original tempo in the Sequence.Which is like mixing to records together with two different albums.

this is the basic understanding to beatmatching,sample matching,and phrase matching it's all the same , jus looking at or listen to rapper camron,kanye,heatmakers,etc. changing pitch or tempo to match a sequence tempo it's that easy.

I'll be doing a free tutorial on this using a complex sample soon, stay tune.

good stuff fam let's see it...

DJ-T wrote:The best way to explain this timestretching thing is from a DJ's point of veiw.
First .in using the timestretch,make sure the loop start and loop end is tight.
Second,use the Trim mode to edit the perfect loop cutting off unwanted sounds.

Three. while in Trim mode,hit edit then go to Timestretch. Look at the Original Tempo-this is the Sequence's Tempo set it and leave it along.
The New Tempo is the Sample's Tempo this is the one,that has to be change.So what your trying to do is beat match the sample to the original tempo in the Sequence.Which is like mixing to records together with two different albums.

this is the basic understanding to beatmatching,sample matching,and phrase matching it's all the same , jus looking at or listen to rapper camron,kanye,heatmakers,etc. changing pitch or tempo to match a sequence tempo it's that easy.

I'll be doing a free tutorial on this using a complex sample soon, stay tune.

you're way off.

I'm way off, how long you been djing?

well first and second sound good though i would consider them the same step but three is all messed up. the original tempo is the tempo of the sequencer, yes. but this is where you are supposed to use the detect tempo feature becuase the "original tempo" is where you enter the tempo of the sample. you said that the new tempo is the sample's tempo which is incorrect. you have to change both fields unless the sequencers tempo happens to match the samples tempo. use "detect tempo" to figure out the tempo of the sample. enter that number in the "original tempo" field. enter the desired tempo in the "new tempo" field. hit "do it" and there you go.

looking forward to your tutorial though.

pad-ophiliac wrote:well first and second sound good though i would consider them the same step but three is all messed up. the original tempo is the tempo of the sequencer, yes. but this is where you are supposed to use the detect tempo feature becuase the "original tempo" is where you enter the tempo of the sample. you said that the new tempo is the sample's tempo which is incorrect. you have to change both fields unless the sequencers tempo happens to match the samples tempo. use "detect tempo" to figure out the tempo of the sample. enter that number in the "original tempo" field. enter the desired tempo in the "new tempo" field. hit "do it" and there you go.

pad, I'm allways open to new ways of learning but that's how I do it and it work's for me, it's alot easier than what you described , hopfully I'll show exactly why I commented. Also there's a problem with the detect tempo because it's not always correct,there is a bug issue with the code,and akai is working on it as we speak.But if yours is working cool.

true, everyone has there own way of doing things. but just for the record, i haven't had any issues with the detect tempo feature. i hope it doesn't become a problem though. peace.

yeah all so ,I wanted to mention if you read page 75-number 5,and read page 57-number 4,and note about detect may not be able to detect the correct tempo. 57 and 75 kinda contridict it self to me. that's why I use timestretch in Percent % tips: page 57 under line 5. maybe you can assist me in giveing a different veiw on timestretching techinque's.

I'm a DJ/turntablist, and the best way to explain this is:

Timestretching: Changing the tempo without changing the pitch
Pitchshifting: Changing the pitch without changing the tempo
Resampling: Changing both the pitch and tempo in a linear fashion

Quite logical, actually.

Re: the detect tempo feature

I think this doesn't always work, and cannot always work, because the way it works is to detect a regular sound, more often than not a kick drum, and work out the tempo from that. If you use a sample with no regular drum beats on it, such as a phrase sample with singing or some shit, it's just not going to be able to detect it.

Try this: find a house or techno sample with a standard four to the floor beat. try the detect tempo feature on it. it should work every time. this is because of the kick drum that happens on every beat in the bar.

Now try some irregular mongolian throat singing sample or something like that, and try the detect tempo on it. Did it work???

Mr modnaR wrote:Re: the detect tempo feature

I think this doesn't always work, and cannot always work, because the way it works is to detect a regular sound, more often than not a kick drum, and work out the tempo from that. If you use a sample with no regular drum beats on it, such as a phrase sample with singing or some ****, it's just not going to be able to detect it.

Try this: find a house or techno sample with a standard four to the floor beat. try the detect tempo feature on it. it should work every time. this is because of the kick drum that happens on every beat in the bar.

Now try some irregular mongolian throat singing sample or something like that, and try the detect tempo on it. Did it work???

exactly. not every sample will have a "beat" which is why it doesn't work every time. heres a good example for those in doubt. do a master reset and the first default seq that pops up is "Hip" or something like that and i think its 97bpm. cut it down from 25 bars to 4 or 8 or something managbale and then resample it. make sure that it loops properly and then go to timestretch, press detect tempo and you should get 97 bpm. then change the new tempo to 105 or whatever, go to a new seq, set the bpm to 105, lay down the sample and see if it fits. it does. peace.

pad-ophiliac wrote:

Mr modnaR wrote:Re: the detect tempo feature

I think this doesn't always work, and cannot always work, because the way it works is to detect a regular sound, more often than not a kick drum, and work out the tempo from that. If you use a sample with no regular drum beats on it, such as a phrase sample with singing or some ****, it's just not going to be able to detect it.

Try this: find a house or techno sample with a standard four to the floor beat. try the detect tempo feature on it. it should work every time. this is because of the kick drum that happens on every beat in the bar.

Now try some irregular mongolian throat singing sample or something like that, and try the detect tempo on it. Did it work???

exactly. not every sample will have a "beat" which is why it doesn't work every time. heres a good example for those in doubt. do a master reset and the first default seq that pops up is "Hip" or something like that and i think its 97bpm. cut it down from 25 bars to 4 or 8 or something managbale and then resample it. make sure that it loops properly and then go to timestretch, press detect tempo and you should get 97 bpm. then change the new tempo to 105 or whatever, go to a new seq, set the bpm to 105, lay down the sample and see if it fits. it does. peace.

keep it simple man,anyways i ask you are you a DJ?

DJ-T wrote:

pad-ophiliac wrote:

Mr modnaR wrote:Re: the detect tempo feature

I think this doesn't always work, and cannot always work, because the way it works is to detect a regular sound, more often than not a kick drum, and work out the tempo from that. If you use a sample with no regular drum beats on it, such as a phrase sample with singing or some ****, it's just not going to be able to detect it.

Try this: find a house or techno sample with a standard four to the floor beat. try the detect tempo feature on it. it should work every time. this is because of the kick drum that happens on every beat in the bar.

Now try some irregular mongolian throat singing sample or something like that, and try the detect tempo on it. Did it work???

exactly. not every sample will have a "beat" which is why it doesn't work every time. heres a good example for those in doubt. do a master reset and the first default seq that pops up is "Hip" or something like that and i think its 97bpm. cut it down from 25 bars to 4 or 8 or something managbale and then resample it. make sure that it loops properly and then go to timestretch, press detect tempo and you should get 97 bpm. then change the new tempo to 105 or whatever, go to a new seq, set the bpm to 105, lay down the sample and see if it fits. it does. peace.

keep it simple man,anyways i ask you are you a DJ?

to much work? fuc u. i take the time to type that shit to show your dumbass how to do some shit that is self-explainitory and you to lazy to to even figure out how the shit works? sorry man, i aint got time for punk bitches but i will be on the look out for that tutorial i don't see how it could be any more simple than that. you don't even have to do half the shit i instructed to timestretch, the 2nd half of all of that was just to show the slow peeps like yourself that the timestretch function does work, if you got half a fukin brain. a DJ? whats a DJ? are you fukin retarted? of course i'm a DJ. you the one that sounds clueless.

to old for that nonsense man ,I just ask you a question. one you didn't answer before. tutorial will be up.b.blessed