MPC4000 Vs. Every sampler out there

I think that at this time there is no alternative sampler to MPC4000. I'm not talkin' just about the structure of the machine but the things that can somebody do with that and how really "professional" is.We heard a lot about Roland's MV but no keygroups at all and its machine it's not compared to 4k's (remember it has a "z" machine,hehe!).Before MPC4000 there were some rack samplers that were pretty good (E4 Platinum was Emu's flagship sampler as well as the E6400,Roland's VP-9000 and Akai's S6000),but after its birth no one could find such a stand-alone sampling workstation.It's the first one with a rack/drum sampler combo,at 96/24, with many opyions and storage solutions.To me..simply the greatest sampler in the world!

The MV is the alternative, and people are buying it -- as they have told me in private mail and publicly. I keep reading stories about someone who just bought a new one for under $1,900, or saw an eBay auction for $1,500. The MPC4000 cannot compete with prices like that. People will try new technology rather than buy a product that is a couple years old and has a 17-year old design as its basis.

The MV has many features that the MPC4000 does not have. The problem is that people don't know much about the MV yet so they use reasoning that goes, "I haven't heard about this on the MV, so I'll write a post saying that it doesn't have it." That's ignorance.

I specifically mentioned key groups in a reply to Doveski. "Key Groups" is AKAI terminology. The MV-8000 was designed by Roland, not AKAI, so Roland does not use the term "Key Groups".

From my 12/26/03 post:

"A couple things I can tell you are that samples may be assigned to equivalent piano keys, and Key Groups are supported. Roland doesn't use the term "Key Group" because it is AKAI specific terminology. Instead, they have a Make Keyboard checkbox in a sample assignment dialog box. The box has a rectangular icon of a keyboard to illustrate the assignment. Import options allow the MV to detect regions of silence and divide the sample into several samples. The gap time is selectable from 0.5 - 2.0 seconds."

I'm sick and tired of this MPC Producer guy who keeps on jocking the MV-8000. This is an Akai MPC 4000 forum and as you know, most of us already own MPC 4000's. It's useless to try and come in here and try to convince us that we should have bought the MV. I, frankly, love my MPC 4000 and I am making outstanding beats on it. I bought it off of Ebay for $1800 last summer. It came with 400 MB of RAM installed, 60 GB HDD, and a CD-R. It also came with the akai CD full of sounds. I think I speak for the rest of us when I say enough already with the MV-8000 posts. I don't want to read them and I'm sure no one else wants to either. Start your own forum and go jock it overthere. Once again, I am very happy with my MPC 4000 and I do not really care about the MV-8000. I've made my investment and I'm content with it's performance. It does seem like you are being paid by Roland to infiltrate our forums. The sad part is you still name yourself "MPC Producer"...

I didn't bring up the MV. The Dr. wants to compare the MPC4000 with everything, including the MV. You know that is an open invitation to controversy.

You ignored my many MPC posts in the past The sad part is ignorance, nothing else.

If you think I have ANY connection with Roland you are wrong. I use new technologies to make leading edge music.

I don't care who makes the hardware or the software as long as they do it well. I own two MPC4000's, as well as other MPC's. That doesn't keep me from buying new gear. I also happen to use software, such as Cubase SX 2 and SampleTank XL, which are outstanding.

You also might be unaware of something else going on behind the scene. Dr Lecter received his MPC4000 very recently. He is aware of the problems with the OS and he called AKAI support about them. He is trying to move out of the first stage of ownership where one can succumb to buyer's remorse. He's looking for confirmation of his purchase by externalizing his fears. There is nothing new about that. How many of us have bought something for a few thousand dollars and wondered afterward if it was the right decision? Does no one in this forum own a car? So keep this in mind when you read his post. He just needs some confirmation that he made the right choice.

The fact is that the MPC4000 is the most powerful machine in the god damn world at this moment.No alternative.Roland has no history about drum samplers.The MPC range is the first at this kind of machines and you must face the fact that Roger Linn was down with that from the first MPC model.

"..and if you didin't know,you'd better ask somebody.."

MPC_Producer wrote:Dr Lecter received his MPC4000 very recently. He is aware of the problems with the OS and he called AKAI support about them. He is trying to move out of the first stage of ownership where one can succumb to buyer's remorse. He's looking for confirmation of his purchase by externalizing his fears. There is nothing new about that. How many of us have bought something for a few thousand dollars and wondered afterward if it was the right decision? Does no one in this forum own a car? So keep this in mind when you read his post. He just needs some confirmation that he made the right choice.

Man,I appreciate your MV reviews in the past and I had no problem with any machine.But in this forum we're like a fam.All I want to do is to make the 4k users realise that they have in their hands the most powerful sampler in the whole globe.I need no confirmation from their posts.I have it through workin' on the 4000.I'm also utilising the 2kxl which is a solid machine but it's not an alternative.

BTW: I'll never call Akai support (where did you read that??)

Roland is establishing its history now. Roger Linn is a has been, unfortunately. He developed the MPC sequencing technology in the 1980's. When he couldn't make any money running the business he sold out to AKAI. Too bad people never tell anyone that part of the story. They praise Roger like he's a timeless god, but a lone designer of 1980's products can't compete with a design team in the new millenium.

I stand corrected on that support call. I must have confused you with someone else....trying to write quickly now because I have to meet with a band during lunch.

I don't want this turning into another arguement please.

Also, can people stop referring to other forum members as 'ignorant' - what do you expect the reaction will be to that, eh?

MPC_Producer

I haven't decided what drum sampler I am going to buy yet. I look around here trying to figure if I want my first drum sampler purchase to be a 1k or 4k. I was open to the MV but I have to admit I don't like the tone of your sales pitch. I know you say you are not affiliated with Roland and maybe you aren't, but you sure come across like you do.

The reason I will probably not consider the MV is because MPC is champ and like a prize fighter who is champ, you don't beat him, you undeniably whop his *ss. The MV can't do that to the MPC cuz the MV is a knockoff of it and if the MV could, you wouldn't have to sell it so hard. It would sell itself through word of mouth like the MPC. Since you say people are buying it, I would like to hear from some of them which would give the MV more validity, preferably on its own forum.

All synths including everything presently made by Roland is a knockoff of older designs with the exception of a new feature or two which can be said of the MPCs too. An old design doesn't mean you can't do great things with it. Hits are made every day with guitars, drums, piano, rhodes etc., all much older designs than the first drum machines.

I'm speaking as someone who was very interested in the MV reviews but have been turned off by the tone and lack of content important to me in making the comparison I need to make with an MPC. Feel and working with the sequencer being most important.

Owning a 4k and bashing it to sell the MV on this forum is only going to turn any comment you make into a non productive argument. I hope this is not a method manufactures use to sell there products in the future.

rnbeatz wrote:I know you say you are not affiliated with Roland ...

I am not, or I would be telling you all the time to rush into a store and I would provide contacts with sales personnel. You'll just have to believe it, because I have never had ANY connection with ANY vendor whatsoever. I don't represent them in any way. This is fact. This is truth. Accept it and move on. There is no point in doubting it.

I cannot address everyone's interest or I would be doing nothing but writing posts 24 hours a day. For everyone who writes publicly that he doesn't like the posts there's another in private mail asking how soon until the next review, and can I hurry it up before Sunday because he wants to buy now and his GC has only one left. Hopefully, some of them will contact you in private mail. You probably will have to express your interest more sincerely for that to happen.

One thing I have noticed is a lot of members on this website are unaware of and not accepting the evolution in progress due to the arrival of the MPC1000 and the MV-8000. The members want to believe everything is unchanging and peaceful. Music is never that way. It's always changing. Fads are abandoned, new genres are created, and new technology changes the direction of music. The MPC1000 is such a hot seller it is bound to have more of an effect on music than the MPC4000, which has had no visible effect in 2 years. Forum members in other threads have asked who uses the 4000 because they can't find any confirmation of it anywhere. Yet, look how much more the 4000 can do than the 1000.

MPC-Tutor wrote:I don't want this turning into another arguement please.

Me too,Tutor.All I wanted to do is to share my happiness for byuing this beast,as I'm learning it day-by-day and I must admit that the 4000 is above my expectations.I used to hear a lot of things about this,but for about 4 monhts now I see that with my eyes.Anyway,no battles and ish like that.Props to the dedicated users of the machine,though.

MPC_Producer wrote:Roland is establishing its history now. Roger Linn is a has been, unfortunately. He developed the MPC sequencing technology in the 1980's. When he couldn't make any money running the business he sold out to AKAI. Too bad people never tell anyone that part of the story. They praise Roger like he's a timeless god, but a lone designer of 1980's products can't compete with a design team in the new millenium.

I stand corrected on that support call. I must have confused you with someone else....trying to write quickly now because I have to meet with a band during lunch.

Roger Linn was an innovator that just couldn't compete with the big corporations so he joined them...Should we say that about you when you sign to a major label because you simply can't afford to compete with Sony or Universal?? Use your noodle MPC_PRODUCER.......

And people to be fair I went back to G.C. on tuesday to play with the MV some more....every rep in the store agreed it is a well built piece of CRAPP!! It takes like 5 minutes to load a project, the sequencer is WHACK!! and there are no KeyGroups....However the FX are really cool like I said before...the pads are very stiff and feel good but not like the 4000's...BTW if you people didnt notice it is built out of the same "Carcass" the VS2400 Recorder is with the same dull Green screen...GOD my Motif's Screen is Brighter......the Graphics on the screen are sharp but not bright........Roland has a way of making the most simple things on their units a "Pain in the AZZ".....It doent have that feel the MPC has..and is a total waste of money if you dont have that ease of use..meaning: if I cant open up the Box and bang out a basic 4 bar loop pattern in 10 minutes it is worthless to me...I done it on the Motif, MPC,SP1200,ASR-10 and X, TRITON,Karma,Kurzweil K-2600 but Rolands units Suck that way!! .......You have to build a tree up from the roots and that being the Sequencer....leaves the MV-8000 Doomed from out the starting gate!!! no one cares about an 8 track audio recorder or direct to CD burning in the PRO AUDIO WORLD MR MPC MAN!!! Change your name and go find a new thread to post on..Dont they have an MV group yet,....No? Too bad go start one Big Man...cuz Weez Beez Some MPC Heads......and I was being totally Fair in my Review...I've spent over 4 hours with the MV thus far and my thought on it haven't changed a bit!! WHACK!!! I hope Yamaha comes out with a similar product that goeas above and beyond the RS7000 cuz they got the sound, the tight sequencer, FX...now all they need is a better screen, 4 midi outs,2ins MLan capability in it with better pads and all the knobs the RS7000 has and I'm buying!!!!! MOTIF Rules, so does The MPC series.......1

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