is 32 megs really enuff??????????????????????????

its not enough if your not creative, its enough if you are!
use the brain God gave you, and start thinking out the box.

guesswhosback wrote:64 pads of what? drums hits? i know all about getting the most out of 2 meg but good luck adding cuts and loops (even if u speed them up)

ive been doing a tune with 2mb - it consists of 3 drums and 3 long notes (piano, bass and guitar). the thing is full

generally its not enough

now stop!

I myself would find it hard with just 2 mb, I need at least 8-12 to make it decent.. 16 on the asr10 treated me very well for years though...

i got 20 mb and i'm usually working on 4-5 beats at a time so yeah, 32 mb would be more than enough at least for me. even if you use longer loops. granted, i don't really use multisamples.

if all i had was 2 mb i'd be happy with it and make it work, i'd probably just sample in mono at 45 rpm which would give me about 20 seconds of sample time. add to that the fact that it would be sampled at 45 and you really should be able to make a beat with that amount of sample time.

if it's a problem why not sell your sampler and just make beats with your computer.. people are always whining about what they don't have when they really should be focusing their energy on what they have and getting the best out of it.

32mb max memory is a constraint, For some people thats enough but i personally would prefer more memory.

More memory = more programs = more sounds loaded

I find that when i make a beat i dont know exactly what sounds im going to use so the more sounds ive got loaded up the more freedom i have to browse the different sounds without having to go to the load screen and loading sounds and deleting samples when the memory is close to that threshold.

At the end of the day 32mb max memory is a constraint and if there was the option to upgrade beyond that, i dont think anyone would complain about having that option.

And im sure a quite a few users would take up that option and upgrade.

I know i would anyway.

peace

the machine just isnt made for working on multiple songs at once and thats not a big deal.

when i first got the mpc2000xl i used the 2mb before i installed the 32.

i made some hot beats with 2mb, loops too. You just gotta sample right. If you have to sample the whole song to chop it, your not being efficient anyways.

"is 32 megs really enuff??????????????????????????"

there's an easy answer to this question: if you run out of memory, you'll need more....if you don't, it's enuff

cyrus wrote:when i first got the mpc2000xl i used the 2mb before i installed the 32.

i made some hot beats with 2mb, loops too. You just gotta sample right. If you have to sample the whole song to chop it, your not being efficient anyways.

Good point, you got to e careful with your samples and be efficient with them.

You can upgrade to a 2500 or 4000 and not be efficient with the samples and produce the same beats.

Chopping samples efficiently, sampling at higher rates all seems quite long winded to me and seems like extra work. having to then change the key back in the mpc.

From a technical point of view, All this extra processing that you will be doing playing back the samples at a different rate is going to have an effect on the ammount of work the processor is doing.

For people who say that if you want more memory they should sell their mpc and produce on the computer, i would say this

An MPC is a computer, it consists of a processor, memory, it has a circuit board, many other chips, on board soundcard, it has an input device(the pads and the buttons and dials and sliders) just like a pc has input devices, keyboard and mouse.
The mpc has a way to display information to you and give you feedback to where you are in its software and what you have done just like a computer has a monitor.

Basically an mpc is just an audio dedicated computer that has been designed in such a way that the fact that its a computer is hidden by the fact that it has a beat making friendly interface.

Back in the 80s some of you guys will remeber how computers used to be. At the time they were fine and nobody minded the fact that there was only 64 k of memory in them and that they had block graphics.

But look at how things have changed with inprovements in spec of the computers. Look at what we are able to achieve now with more powerful machines.

The same goes for the MPC, more memory would open up new creative possibilities, just like a desktop pc, the more memory you have installed the faster it runs. Operating systems are designed to make the best use of the memory available.

Its not only in terms of memory where i think the 2000xl is being neglected, theres also the speed at witch information is processed. loading samples, and chopping loops and time stretch features can be real slow. This only aids to slow down the creative flow as your sitting waiting for the machine to finish processing.

And please dont say well you should use a computer to timestretch because i already do. the mpc.

But more memory would be cool and the cost could be so small, for akai maybe the cost of a few lines of code, no hardware modification neccessary. The cost to you the cost of 2 64mb sticks of EDO ram ($!5) or akai branded ($200 lol)

thats my dollars worth.

peace

Nahhhh.....

The mp2k is perfect the way it is. :) If you want quick real time timestretch in hardware, buy a vp9000. I got one offa ebay for $150.

net3dom wrote:
Chopping samples efficiently, sampling at higher rates all seems quite long winded to me and seems like extra work. having to then change the key back in the mpc.

changing the key back takes you about 1 second.

Cheech wrote:

net3dom wrote:
Chopping samples efficiently, sampling at higher rates all seems quite long winded to me and seems like extra work. having to then change the key back in the mpc.

changing the key back takes you about 1 second.

Yeah not quite, but I hear you. That is the epitome of lazy right there.

why the close mindedness.

As i said befor u have my own work arounds to some of these issues, but to claim something is perfect the way it is shows limited thinking.

A lack of abbility to see the potential of technological advancement.

I maxed my triton to 96mb of ram, i dont use the sample ram at all really but i know that when i am ready to sample on the board i wont have the limitations of sample time as such.

I have a 1000 maxed memory so i have alternatives but the fact remains the 2000x is slower at processing.

the 2000xl dosnt compare to the 1000 for processing speed or sample time.

I remeber one of the selling points for the 2000 over the 1000 was the timestretch feature. and i remeber reading a few members on here using that as a way to feel beter about the lower spec of the 2000.

new os for the 1000, timestretch and other features implimented. I agree thge pads are better on 2000xl and the interface looks a lot better but internally, it is being left behind.

The 2500 is a combination of the 2 technologies, speed, elegance, memory expansion, 8 outs as standard.

Lazyness no, open minded yes.

You are people are talking like as though if the featurs were made available you wouldnt want them anyway. And thats why if ui worked for akai and could provide advanced features and improve how the machine works, judging by these comments, i wouldnt bother.

I would just bring out another machine and make it have all the features that would improve the 2000 and the 1000 and call it the mpc2500.

As far as my 2000xl users they are all happy with their limitations so forget about them. no more developement time or money spent on them because their machines are perfect.

You people are like you are afraid of improvement or are just defending a machine because you know that kniow matter how deepdown you wish you could make these simple improvements its not going to happen.

Im sure someone some where could make it happen.

why wont people admit the truth that a memory expansion upgrade to 128 would be a welcome addition.

lol homie..

32mb is plenty of memory to make some serious beats. If you can't make a hot beat with an mpc & 32mb u need to re-consider your approach to the machine!

Now... 2mb

You can definately cover the beats, percussion & a bassline but I doubt there'll be enough room for other samples & sounds... but saying that there are some technical whizzkids out there who could prove me wrong...

I once made a beat with an s1000 which had 10mb RAM & the outcome wasn't that bad, lol I think I still had like 2mb left


Peace.

If guys can make whole albums with 10 seconds, 32 megs is enough.

Its not what you use, but how you use it.

i think it depends on what type of music you are making.hip hop or minimal techno id say 32mb would be fine.maybe even 2mb cuz all you are making is loops.

BUT

if you are making something like nu-school breaks,trance,or anything else that has lots of synth changes/filters.then 32mb just aint enough.

i do all seqencing/sampling on my mpc and when i had the 2000xl i always ran out of memory/pads when doing nu-school breaks.hip hop i had no problem cuz with hip hop its usually just loops.thats not the case with nu-school.nu-school has no m.c. so you need the synths/pads etc. to fill up the song.and this can suck up memory real fast.