MPC 2500 VS. MPC 3000

I GOT ANOTHER DEBATE ON MY HANDS. IM TRYING TO DECIDE BETWEEN THE MPC 2500 OR THE MPC 3000.I LOVE THE SOUND OF THE 3000 BUT IT LACKS SOME FEATURES THE 2500 HAS THAT I WANT.WELL IM OFFICALLY STUCK WITH MY DECISION SO ADVICE IS WELCOMED

how is this a debate, get the 2500, you can change the sound later

jaydaniels wrote:I GOT ANOTHER DEBATE ON MY HANDS. IM TRYING TO DECIDE BETWEEN THE MPC 2500 OR THE MPC 3000.I LOVE THE SOUND OF THE 3000 BUT IT LACKS SOME FEATURES THE 2500 HAS THAT I WANT.WELL IM OFFICALLY STUCK WITH MY DECISION SO ADVICE IS WELCOMED

I'm laughin my azz off.. lemme give you some redgreenz history:

I started off with the MPC1000, right when it first came out... QUICKLY dumped it for a 2Kxl. A close homie of mine gave me an MPC60 which I then upgraded with SCSI, OS 3.10, etc., but I stayed workin with the 2kxl. I then found the greatest deal ever, an MPC3000 in almost mint condition, for $950!!! At this point, I had too many MPC's and needed to decide on which one to keep. Well, I sold the 60 and the 2kxl, and I've been rockin the 3000 ever since.

My point is this, I went from what was the latest to what is now known as one of the oldest. Not to clown Akai, but after the MPC3000, the MPC line lost something. Now whether that something was Roger Linn or some dope ass engineers, I don't know, but you CANNOT find that old school feel, swing and thump with some of these newer MPC's. If it's graphical editing, USB, etc. that you're after, then by all means, cop a 2500.. BUT, if you're lookin for that warmth and that BANG... I suggest you grab either a 60 or a 3000. You'll learn the interface in no time. Believe me,I'd sacrifice USB, 128MB of RAM and a CD burner found on the newer MP's, for that ol skool boom blam blaow in a second.

peace,

2500 all the way. The 3000, 60, and 2K are all DEAD technologically wise. So many features to name. But thinks of having 40 GB of sounds on hand, chop shop so you have to manuallly chop samples and a BIT GRUNGER EFFECT that makes your drum hit like drums off the SP 1200.

As far as the sound of the 3000 and the sound of the 60----IT'S WHAT YOU PUT INTO THE MPC.

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hydroslanger wrote:how is this a debate, get the 2500, you can change the sound later

Just as easy to say get the sound now and add a real sampler.

It works both ways.

cre8tive wrote:2500 all the way. The 3000, 60, and 2K are all DEAD technologically wise. So many features to name. But thinks of having 40 GB of sounds on hand, chop shop so you have to manuallly chop samples and a BIT GRUNGER EFFECT that makes your drum hit like drums off the SP 1200.

As far as the sound of the 3000 and the sound of the 60----IT'S WHAT YOU PUT INTO THE MPC.

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The Bit Grunger Effect sounds like an SP 1200 if you are referring to the old Sansui SP 1200 home speakers.
Definitely not the EMU.


Making a 2500 sound like a 60/3k, ain't gonna happen, doesn't mean a 2500 sounds bad but it's not like the 60/3k.

If you really require the adding features and prefer that they are in one box then go with the 2500.
They big drawback is that the 2500 is still a limit sampling architecture at best and those added features would still be better left to a real sampler.

My opinion about MPC's is to truthfully make a choice requires multiple ownerships of the various models to determine which is right for you.
You can not use one MPC and let yourself believe it's the one.
The more you can use them the better your personal understanding of the nature of each.

Only then can you see the truth in them.

As far as dead technology wise, unless it's broke the older MPC all still turn on and work.

If you had 40gigs of usable sounds it would be the sh*t.
40gigs yes, 40 gigs of quality a different story.
Auto chopping/re-sampling/in place sampling have been around on full samplers for quite some time.
Also there are a lot of samplers that are designed with ease of use when backspin sampling so auto chopping is a wastes.
USB for someone who doesn't use a computer?

What I'm getting at is for every feature that makes the 2500 appealing to you that same feature is a waste to someone else.

All comes back to how you work and how you want to work.

THE ADVERSARY wrote:My opinion about MPC's is to truthfully make a choice requires multiple ownerships of the various models to determine which is right for you.

same here

THE ADVERSARY wrote:The Bit Grunger Effect sounds like an SP 1200 if you are referring to the old Sansui SP 1200 home speakers.
Definitely not the EMU.

I've played a few different MPC's and own 2. I have my favorites, but I think based on the music I hear,...any MPC will do.

There are guys making great tracks with 1000's and same thing with the 4000. Its not what you use, but the magic you could(!?!) create on it.

I will say this, if you have lots of sounds in the computer, its going to be leagues easier on something that will read WAV & import VIA USB. Hence, the 2500. I've invested a large amount of time trying to get everything converted over to the 3000 and it was a right pain in the arse.

Blue Haze has a good quote on his signature...., that applies here.

It`s ridiculous to think that your music will sound better if you go out and buy the latest keyboard. People tend to crave more equipment when they don`t know what they want from their music.

A Guy named Gerald

I find it funny that modern gear has created this sense that gear has no personality.
Granted most stuff they make now is that way, but older gear still has variations, flaws in the production lines and retrofits that make them have a distinct personality.
Most samplers now are pretty much a variant of a digital recorder more so than a sampler.
Samplers never were accurate and the signal in was always affected by the unit.
Now samplers are more along the lines of if it goes in it comes out, no character is added.
There is no way in the world a person should believe that they will get the same results from a 1k, 2k, 2.5k or 4k as the 3k or 60 would give.
You are not going to get the same results as a Mini from using a Moog bass patch on a Fantom.
The S6000 doesn't sound like the S-950 which doesn't sound like the S-1000 or S-3000.
Again I will say there is nothing wrong with any MPC if that's the sound you are after, but they all sound different.
I don't need my sample to sound like the original source, but some do and there is an MPC to fit both ends and all that's between.
You can EQ your stuff and tweak it around in the mix with the 4k but it's will still have a different kinda of hit to it.
Not a bad hit just different.
Still abount the sound and features you require as to which is the best choice.
Switch I know what you are saying about the computer but there are still too many people that don't use the computer for sample editing, storage or anything along those lines.

One thing people tend to forget if you want someone to respect the way you work respect the way they work.

So people listening to music sit there and say....

Ahh hell nah, he used a MPC1000 not an MPC3000?....No.

Only gearheads say things like that. Yes, I am one too!

My 3000 sounds better and feels better to ME than the 2000XL. However, when I play, say Kev Browns new album(he made on an MPC2000XL), that argument goes out the window. That albums beats is tight, tight, tight! He made it sound good, not the 2000XL.

I heard Antonyms(from this forum) demo not too long ago. I think he said he used an MPC1000, SP404 for fx, & Reasons NNXT for bass. That track sounded good. Things like that prove my point. Forget which piece of gear you have & just make music. The rest will follow.

Not everyone uses computers, but alot of guys getting into MPCs now do.

I still think I'd use any MPC just fine. Gear is important, but not the most.

You are right though, it just sounds different sometimes!

Kev Brown is a good example his tracks are nice but they don't bang with that thicker type bottom.
They seem kinda punchy but not really solid.

Listener pay more attention without knowing what they are paying attention to.
People might like the way that Hi-Tek drums bang, and not realize it's the 3k.
Just because you like a food doesn't mean you want to know how to prepare it.

People underestimate tools.
Different tools in the same hands yeild different results because they change methods.
I can tweak a 2k or 1k to try to get the drums banging or make the samples sound bigger, but why would I do that when there is a MPC that allows me to do that more directly and quicker?

Back to the original question, you just need to figure out whether or not the extra features are really necessary for you on the 25k or if you would be willing to do them on an additional device.
Who knows you might even like the sound of the 25k which would solve your problem before you even get started.
I have been through the MPC's and I know which one was the best for me.
You have to decide the same.
Best path in your case is to get the 25k from someone with a good return policy and try it out.
If after you get up to speed you don't like the sound then return or sell it and get a 3k, 60, 4k or whatever.

redgreenz wrote:

jaydaniels wrote:I GOT ANOTHER DEBATE ON MY HANDS. IM TRYING TO DECIDE BETWEEN THE MPC 2500 OR THE MPC 3000.I LOVE THE SOUND OF THE 3000 BUT IT LACKS SOME FEATURES THE 2500 HAS THAT I WANT.WELL IM OFFICALLY STUCK WITH MY DECISION SO ADVICE IS WELCOMED

I'm laughin my azz off.. lemme give you some redgreenz history:

I started off with the MPC1000, right when it first came out... QUICKLY dumped it for a 2Kxl. A close homie of mine gave me an MPC60 which I then upgraded with SCSI, OS 3.10, etc., but I stayed workin with the 2kxl. I then found the greatest deal ever, an MPC3000 in almost mint condition, for $950!!! At this point, I had too many MPC's and needed to decide on which one to keep. Well, I sold the 60 and the 2kxl, and I've been rockin the 3000 ever since.

My point is this, I went from what was the latest to what is now known as one of the oldest. Not to clown Akai, but after the MPC3000, the MPC line lost something. Now whether that something was Roger Linn or some dope ass engineers, I don't know, but you CANNOT find that old school feel, swing and thump with some of these newer MPC's. If it's graphical editing, USB, etc. that you're after, then by all means, cop a 2500.. BUT, if you're lookin for that warmth and that BANG... I suggest you grab either a 60 or a 3000. You'll learn the interface in no time. Believe me,I'd sacrifice USB, 128MB of RAM and a CD burner found on the newer MP's, for that ol skool boom blam blaow in a second.

peace,

How can you compare a 3000 to a 2000xl, 1000 or a 60? The 3000 has more features. If you get a 2500 and a-let's say-s900/950, you can have the best of both worlds. Or a 2500 with a s1000/1100 for the 3000 sound. The 3000 has the same converters as the s1000/1100 and the 900/950 have the same or similar sounding converters to the 60/60II.

Red_Dragon wrote:

redgreenz wrote:

jaydaniels wrote:I GOT ANOTHER DEBATE ON MY HANDS. IM TRYING TO DECIDE BETWEEN THE MPC 2500 OR THE MPC 3000.I LOVE THE SOUND OF THE 3000 BUT IT LACKS SOME FEATURES THE 2500 HAS THAT I WANT.WELL IM OFFICALLY STUCK WITH MY DECISION SO ADVICE IS WELCOMED

I'm laughin my azz off.. lemme give you some redgreenz history:

I started off with the MPC1000, right when it first came out... QUICKLY dumped it for a 2Kxl. A close homie of mine gave me an MPC60 which I then upgraded with SCSI, OS 3.10, etc., but I stayed workin with the 2kxl. I then found the greatest deal ever, an MPC3000 in almost mint condition, for $950!!! At this point, I had too many MPC's and needed to decide on which one to keep. Well, I sold the 60 and the 2kxl, and I've been rockin the 3000 ever since.

My point is this, I went from what was the latest to what is now known as one of the oldest. Not to clown Akai, but after the MPC3000, the MPC line lost something. Now whether that something was Roger Linn or some dope ass engineers, I don't know, but you CANNOT find that old school feel, swing and thump with some of these newer MPC's. If it's graphical editing, USB, etc. that you're after, then by all means, cop a 2500.. BUT, if you're lookin for that warmth and that BANG... I suggest you grab either a 60 or a 3000. You'll learn the interface in no time. Believe me,I'd sacrifice USB, 128MB of RAM and a CD burner found on the newer MP's, for that ol skool boom blam blaow in a second.

peace,

How can you compare a 3000 to a 2000xl, 1000 or a 60? The 3000 has more features. If you get a 2500 and a-let's say-s900/950, you can have the best of both worlds. Or a 2500 with a s1000/1100 for the 3000 sound. The 3000 has the same converters as the s1000/1100 and the 900/950 have the same or similar sounding converters to the 60/60II.

If you re-read my post, you can see that I ended up stickin with the 3k.... Technically, the 2kxl is newer than the 3k, so it's actually the 2kxl that has more "features" 3k versus the 60:

MPC-60/60II w/scsi, os 3.10 and max memory = MPC3000 ( with less sample time and 16bit sound )..

1000 versus 2000xl ? 1k has more memory, builtin effects, more sample time than the 2kxl, but no timestretch.... only 4 individual outsi

finally, i believe jaydaniels was comparin MPC's NOT the S series samplers.. everyone knows what type of sound the S900/950 gives, just like the S3000/S3200XL....

......that's how i can compare homie

peace,