Mpc60 mk2 stereo sampling?

thamessage wrote:fyi u can't go from 2 channels to 1 with a Y cable. Impedance problems. Other way around is ok.

Try it. I've always used and never had a problem.

Teletran1 wrote:

thamessage wrote:fyi u can't go from 2 channels to 1 with a Y cable. Impedance problems. Other way around is ok.

Try it. I've always used and never had a problem.

Yeah...I'm plugging it in like half way into my 60...sounds great to me.

if you're plugging it in halfway then maybe you're only inputting 1 side (tip L and ring right or other way around) in that case there is no problem. but if you input 2 into 1 with a y cable there will be impedance problems that will result in degrading of the signal and frequency response. it might sound ok but it would probably sound better using a mixer instead of a y cable.

but if it sounds good to you then it's not a big deal.

thamessage wrote:if you're plugging it in halfway then maybe you're only inputting 1 side (tip L and ring right or other way around) in that case there is no problem. but if you input 2 into 1 with a y cable there will be impedance problems that will result in degrading of the signal and frequency response. it might sound ok but it would probably sound better using a mixer instead of a y cable.

but if it sounds good to you then it's not a big deal.

what u mean bout using a mixer instead of a y-cable?

I don't use a Y cable. I use a stereo 1/4'' to 1/8'' cable and there are no phasing or impedance problems.

okay. does ur mixer have a stereo out single output?

WTF are you all talking about?

The MPC60 does not have a stereo input, it is a balanced mono input.

You can not sample into the MPC60 as stereo through the Rec In socket.

If you use a Y-cable and only plug it in half way, you are only recording one channel of the stereo pair coming down the Y-cable. What is the point of using a Y-cable in this situation?

If you use a Y-cable and plug it all the way in, then due to it being a balanced input, the left and right channels will be added together out of phase (or opposite polarity), and will sort of cancel each other out, and you will be left with a weird sounding signal.

Just use a normal mono balanced (if the output of what you are recording from is balanced) or unbalanced cable out of one side of your stereo output, or use a mixer to mix the left and right channels of the stereo signal into mono before sending it to the MPC60.

there u said it...thanx

Teletran1 wrote:I'm assuming that you don't have OS 3.10 since you are asking this, but luckily I have a solution for you. The best way to get stereo samples without paying $195 to upgrade to 3.10 is getting a line-in to 1/4 inch stereo cable. The trick is to not plug in the line-in side completely. Only push in until you feel the first little click and leave it there. The cable will pick up both channels as if it were one channel. Ta-da! You now have stereo samples!

No, you don't have a stereo sample with this method, it is not picking up both channels as if it were one channel, you have a mono sample that is coming down one side of the Y-cable, it is not mixing the two stero channels into one.

Continent wrote:Since there is only one "rec in" jack I assume I could put in a stereo cable here. I use a Y-cable from my turntable and into my mpc.

Nope, you can not put a stereo signal in there, you can put a balanced or unbalanced mono signal in there.

Continent wrote:But the thing is, it sound very strange when the pan from the turntable is set to 0, but when I pan to left or right I hear the channels crystal clear.

That is because it is a balanced mono input, not a stereo input.

On a balanced mono cable (in a balanced mono output), the same mono signal is sent through the tip and ring of the plug, but the polarity is reversed on the ring part of the signal. These two signals are then combined at the balanced input, with the ring signal polarity flipped back to normal. This is to reduce induced noise/interference that is picked up by the cable, as that induced noise will be the same on both sides of the cable, and will cancel each other out after the polarity of one is flipped and they are combined.

On a stereo Y-cable, the tip and ring of the plug at the non-Y end are carrying the left and right channels of the stereo signal.

If you plug a Y-cable carrying a stereo signal all the way into a balanced mono input, like on the MPC60, then the left and right channels of the stereo signal will cancel each other out, or will sort of cancel each other out due to differences between left and right channels in the stereo signal, leaving the weird sounding signal you are hearing.

SimonInAustralia wrote:

Teletran1 wrote:I'm assuming that you don't have OS 3.10 since you are asking this, but luckily I have a solution for you. The best way to get stereo samples without paying $195 to upgrade to 3.10 is getting a line-in to 1/4 inch stereo cable. The trick is to not plug in the line-in side completely. Only push in until you feel the first little click and leave it there. The cable will pick up both channels as if it were one channel. Ta-da! You now have stereo samples!

No, you don't have a stereo sample with this method, it is not picking up both channels as if it were one channel, you have a mono sample that is coming down one side of the Y-cable, it is not mixing the two stero channels into one.

I don't use a Y cable. I use a stereo 1/4'' to 1/8'' cable and there are no phasing or impedance problems.

I never said I used a Y cable with the 60. Try it my way and you will see what I'm talking about. It sounds exactly identical to the original stereo sample.

I've even recorded the same sample into the 60 using this method and then recorded it into my 3000 through a Y cable and you cannot tell the difference.

Its strange, and I don't know if its a print-error but at vintagesynth.com it says mpc 60 got stereo sampling.

1987 wrote:Its strange, and I don't know if its a print-error but at vintagesynth.com it says mpc 60 got stereo sampling.

It does, once you upgrade to the 3.10 OS. You can record the left and right channels separately as mono samples and then splice together.

Without the 3.10 OS the only way to get stereo samples (on one channel) is the way I've mentioned on this thread. Eventhough I have the 3.10 os on my 60 and a 3000, I still use this method to save on sampling time.

All right sounds great. Is this like an official solution/vastly known? I dont really care but it wud be useful to know.

1987 wrote:All right sounds great. Is this like an official solution/vastly known? I dont really care but it wud be useful to know.

Which one are you asking about? The OS is a widely known solution for a lot of things. The cable trick apparently, doesn't seem to be too popular/known because of all the arguement against it.

I say you just try out the cable trick and see if it works for you like it does for me. If it doesn't, then don't do it and get the OS.

Here an image of what the cable looks like. You can get one that one end is a 1/4'' jack, if not, you can always use an adapter. I use the 1/8'' side to record directly from the line out on my computer.