This video killed many myths!

Don't matter to me really Moy. I can git down on either. I'm a basement producer who makes beats and bass lines. I'm not trying to reproduce the Boston pops. And I don't do techno. And I'm not saying those who are trying to recreate Bach's concerto in A minor or those making techno are worse or better than me. I just do me. I have an old Fender copy bass and even on old Ensoniq EPS (not the 16 plus, but the original EPS). All my joints is a little dirty. For what I want to do it works. If I were a painter my stuff would be on the side of concrete walls not the Sistine Chapel. I can just see Michealangelo and Ramone from Beat Street arguing over what's noisier, a set of pristine brushes or a can of spray paint. I've done tracks on MV and MPC. Go to myspace.com/prophacee and tracks 1 and 4 were done with 2500, Reason and ProTools. Track 2 2500 and Protools. Track 3 was done with MV and ProTools. Are any of these perfectly mastered perfect sounding platinum masterpieces. Hell naw. But they're my tags and I'm proud of them. I agree, I wouldn't put Miroslov strings thru the 2500 either. I probably wouldn't run them thru the MV either. I'd probably put them thru Reason or something. Scott Storch uses the MPC2000 or 3000 specifically for drums and plays everything else through computer based samplers. Even Storch who has an awesome ear, prefers the MPC sound for drums. I primarily use mine for drums and samples. Again, to me after all of the traks I've created on both, to me the 2500 sounds slighty better for what I need to do, but I gits down with the MV too. Don't matter dude. Really don't matter.

I respect your viepoint. The point i was making is that this an area where Akai slacked off. I have the 4000 and the MV now. My first machine of this type was the old 2000 so I see where your coming from. BTW- those are good philosophical points.

I do a lot of house stuff along with hiphop. I don't necessarily want "HR-16 clean" drums either but if there I don't want to work around a sampler's sonic personality. When need keyboards and synths I turn to my K2600 and S-6000. For anything percussive or rhythmic I have MV or 4000. So I'm also still in line with most us are doing. But for those who depend more heavily on the 2500 as a sound source, they get the short end. Under the old philosophy the 2500 would have capable of this easily. So when i hear" sounds better" this is what comes to mind.

As I said , their will come a time when you need an instrument to sound authentic and a model geared towards pros and semi-pros should be capable of this without sonic artifacts. When I play a sax or piano riff I need it to sound authentic, not a like it came out Window Recorder. I can dumb it down as much as I want but I can't do the reverse starting with a substandard sound. The MV isn't cleaner by leaps and bounds it does have more pristine sound to it. Again I can trash it as much a I want. It's not so much about recreating a symphony as it starting out with the cleanest foundation possible.

I can just see Michealangelo and Ramone from Beat Street arguing over what's noisier, a set of pristine brushes or a can of spray paint.

First off , that's great quote. But we weren't arguing just a respectful exchange of ideas. Glad you joined in man. Much respect.

Word. ONe luV son. ITs all good. SOmeone said most MPC users hatin on the MV haven't even used it. Wasn't you, but someone else. That may be true, but I have used it though. And, to me IMO, has a different sound and character than the MPC. For instance with the MV, when you sample and save as a patch, the sample looses fidelity. If you sample and save as an audio phrase it sounds much more like the original sample. On my MPC every sample sounds pretty much like the original. I agree that the converters in the 2500 are different from other Akai products but I like it. The 2000 has different converters and I hear lots of people comment on how it sounds better than the 2500. Maybe, but the 2500 has everything I need, especially adding the hardrive and CD ROM. So its really all good. I can get down on both. But when you want real pristine samples, a TRUE sampler, not a sampling drum machine, is probably a better tool. Go do yo thing son. onE LuV