Am I The Only One..

Im still on Akai OS. I find it does what I need. I guess MTC is the only reason I would upgrade but I never have had the need.

When I was first looking in to a drum machine, this one ticked all the boxes. Therefore JJ extra features are a bonus rather than something I was expecting from the unit. G.

tider code? i still say yes

i've given this statement before
assign bugs numerical value - 1 being minor and 10 being detrimental to your work.

stuff like a NEW FOLDER bug = 10
directory error = 10
corrupted files = 10
stuff like a sudden freeze = 10
stuff like small graphics glitch (which are gone when the window is refreshed) = less than 3 depending on your nitpickiness and bias toward a more "professional looking" (albeit sorely less featured) system

the akai os is MORE LIKELY to make you lose your work
that's a pretty damning report card to bring home

Sorry to be a picky b@st@rd but I think "tidier code" is the most stupid arguement I've heard...the term "tidy code" referers to the quality of the written code before it's compiled, this in itself it meaningless and completely impossible for anyone to speculate on the tidyness without having access to it.

We could argue whether or not it's "a more optimised program", "a more bug free program" or "a more stable program" and it's true that tidy code may imply these situations are more likey...with tidy code it's certainly easier to find and fix bugs and therefore be more stable but, some people have massive brains and can keep track of what they are doing and write bug free and stable code which is a **** mess. On the other hand with writing really tidy you may often sacrifice some speed and write less optimised code for sake of tidyness and even with the tidyiest of tidy code you can still cock something up and introduce horrendous bugs.

Sorry to be a picky there is no way we can have a "tidy code" arguement on this subject!

then i humbly and cheerfully change the statement from tidier to refer to both optimization (relative filesize compared to feature inclusion) and more bug free. i'm no coder so my terminology is all 2nd hand.

however, the same logic and points still all apply, even more specifically now.

objectively, if you're holding all bugs equal, like a tally, then the jj os has more "bugs."

if you're being more than objective about it, the akai os has MUCH more serious bugs. it's not just a speculative rumour that the akai os freezes on new folder creation. it's a recognized problem that is fixed in both the free and in the obligatory-donation os.

AT.

You do know the title of this thread isn't "Prove the JJ OS is brilliant".

Fanboy!!!

dablunt wrote:AT.

You do know the title of this thread isn't "Prove the JJ OS is brilliant".

Fanboy!!!

you're right - it's "combat misinformation spread by vindictive and/or uninformed forum members"

jahrome wrote:

Stilo wrote:
I always thought I had 64 already

MPCs generally do not have audio tracks. They have MIDI tracks that trigger internal samples, which is not the same thing. The continuous sample track is an audio track. But the Akai OS only provides one. The JJ OS provides 8 of these tracks.

Yea, I guessed already you're talking about the continuous sample tracks.

Don't you think the description "audio track" is a bit misleading, as all the "audio track" does is to allow you to stop your audio sample immediately? Besides, in your argumentation it would be a MIDI track as well, cause it saves MIDI note data that triggers an internal sample just as well

Stilo wrote:
Yea, I guessed already you're talking about the continuous sample tracks.

Don't you think the description "audio track" is a bit misleading, as all the "audio track" does is to allow you to stop your audio sample immediately? Besides, in your argumentation it would be a MIDI track as well, cause it saves MIDI note data that triggers an internal sample just as well

I never really gave a secong thought to how Akai's audio tracks work. But the audio tracks do more than just allows you to stop audio immediately. With an audio track, you can start the sequence at any bar, and the track's audio will play back at the right time/position. MIDI tracks are completely different. If you start the sequence after the MIDI note which triggers a sample.,,,the sample will not play.

SO whether you find this useful or not is another story, but there is a difference between MIDI and Audio track.

Antonym wrote:
then i humbly and cheerfully change the statement from tidier to refer to both optimization (relative filesize compared to feature inclusion) and more bug free. i'm no coder so my terminology is all 2nd hand.

however, the same logic and points still all apply, even more specifically now.

objectively, if you're holding all bugs equal, like a tally, then the jj os has more "bugs."

if you're being more than objective about it, the akai os has MUCH more serious bugs. it's not just a speculative rumour that the akai os freezes on new folder creation. it's a recognized problem that is fixed in both the free and in the obligatory-donation os.

Now, you will have to let the audience know which OS you are talking about. You can't possibly be talking about the unofficial JJ OS for the MPC 2500. I lost track of the numerous bugs and bug fixes for this OS. Akai's first official OS has been as stable. But I am just speaking from my own 17 month experience with using the MPC 2500. (an MPC with the official RAM, CDM-25, and approved hard drive...this brother don't cut corners ).

Now directly addressing serious bugs...you have to own an MPC 2500 and use an MPC 2500 to talk about whether it has serious bugs with a particular OS. The freezing of the MPC 2500 that you read about was an issue between the MPC's OS and its hard drive. It seems like it was due to the hard drive being 'asleep' from what I read. I experienced this once a long time ago. I never had this problem using the CF card reader/writer. Now I haven't come across this with the JJ OS, but the JJ OS crashed my MPC several times using the input thru function. Numerous basic functions..malfunctioned. If I was a professional, the JJ OS is not something I would use during a paid session...not today. I am not fully confident that all the bugs are ironed out. However, Akai OS 1.22 has been solid for me. But because I love staying in this forum talking about the MPC 2500...I use the JJ OS.

Antonym, you have been a huge JJ fan from the start and you also hate Akai So your opinions are biased like a mother. Now anyone hanging around this forum from the start know that I never held back my feelings about the Akai OS. I have no reason to mislead or misinform anyone about these operating systems.

jahrome wrote:I never really gave a secong thought to how Akai's audio tracks work. But the audio tracks do more than just allows you to stop audio immediately. With an audio track, you can start the sequence at any bar, and the track's audio will play back at the right time/position. MIDI tracks are completely different. If you start the sequence after the MIDI note which triggers a sample.,,,the sample will not play.

Yes, you're right. I just wanted to point out that for the innocent observer it is nothing more than a long one shot sample with one MIDI note in the beginning, only that you can now stop (and start) it anywhere you like. No need to invent a new name for it

But yes, of course it's useful, and having more than one of those is useful too.

jahrome wrote:But because I love staying in this forum talking about the MPC 2500...I use the JJ OS.

awww, now you really don't have to make that sacrifice jahrome...it works without using the JJ OS as well, just take me

Stilo wrote:
I just wanted to point out that for the innocent observer it is nothing more than a long one shot sample with one MIDI note in the beginning, only that you can now stop (and start) it anywhere you like.

Quick question then....what else do you need an audio track to do?

jahrome wrote:

Stilo wrote:
I just wanted to point out that for the innocent observer it is nothing more than a long one shot sample with one MIDI note in the beginning, only that you can now stop (and start) it anywhere you like.

Quick question then....what else do you need an audio track to do?

Nothing...only thing is I wish that all tracks had that kind of basic functionality.

My original point was that it doesn't need yet another name for it, which just causes confusion. Why did JJ not just name it Continuous Sample Track like originally, if it is just that?

_Stilo_ wrote:

jahrome wrote:3. 8 Audio tracks

I always thought I had 64 already

No you have Zero Audio Tracks with the Akai OS Stilo. Audio tracks are like if you wanted to st8 vocals over your beats. Basically 64 for seqs and 8 to laydown live guitars, vocals, drops etc.
The Direct Record on your mpc2500 is pretty much the same thing as recording a audio track Go to a blank track then>Type:>Open Window>Turn On..you can now play the seq and sample at the sametime like you want to beat box, scratch,etc. and it will already be in place.