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By dj e.d.e Wed Mar 21, 2007 8:18 pm
the artist got robbed they still should get royality checks they made it why shouldnt they? they ahd other hits then just that one .
color him father is my favorite i have the song on a comp but i dont use the break or i havent used it yet . it 's to easy to sample
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By JPfunk Thu Mar 22, 2007 1:01 am
... but I think that the whole corporate attitude to sampling in the last few years is really counterproductive to creativity and good music.

It seems like the whole 'love of the art' of sampling is being eroded by corporate sh*ts that only care about money. A good sample does not rip off the original artist but should make something original/new from the old material. It's homage!

The irony being that companies took advantage of the lack of copyright laws when it suited them and then stop the public being able to do the same!
By _Stilo_ Thu Mar 22, 2007 9:19 pm
JPfunk wrote:The irony being that companies took advantage of the lack of copyright laws when it suited them and then stop the public being able to do the same!

What are you talking about?

By Dolo Fri Mar 23, 2007 12:58 pm
What I find more incredible is the fact that potentially, one song spawned a whole new genre of music. It can be heard in so many different artist's work that it's influence is, in my opinion, more far-reaching than perhaps that of James Brown.

Growing up and listening to alot of music, I heard the Amen drums sampled over and over again in so many tracks - it didn't occur to me that it came from a single source.

Quite how people are into Jungle and Drum 'n Bass and not know about the influence of The Winstons' "Amen Brother" break, and that it pretty much gave birth to those genres of music is shocking.

I think once people become more aware of this fact, then more props will indeed be given to the original composers.

Oh, and big corporate companies are c*nts. They will always f*ck the humble, average man right in their ass!
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By dj e.d.e Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:53 pm
Dolo wrote:What I find more incredible is the fact that potentially, one song spawned a whole new genre of music. It can be heard in so many different artist's work that it's influence is, in my opinion, more far-reaching than perhaps that of James Brown.

Growing up and listening to alot of music, I heard the Amen drums sampled over and over again in so many tracks - it didn't occur to me that it came from a single source.

Quite how people are into Jungle and Drum 'n Bass and not know about the influence of The Winstons' "Amen Brother" break, and that it pretty much gave birth to those genres of music is shocking.

I think once people become more aware of this fact, then more props will indeed be given to the original composers.

Oh, and big corporate companies are c*nts. They will always f*ck the humble, average man right in their ass!


you need to listen to more music then because it's not as influencial as JAMES BROWN it's pretty strong but not that much , james brown 's music has influenced hiphop and hiphop is in it's 30th+ year this amen break has only spawned this new genre in about 15-+ yrs,it is a great break tho but just as everyone one else that gets sampled royality'sare due. REguardless if theyare broken up

By Dolo Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:12 pm
Yo, respect to you EDE, I hear every piece of advice you give about our little boxes of tricks to make this thing called music, but I don't need to be told that I need to listen to more music.

I appreciate your opinion man, but I was only expressing mine.

Likewise, I ain't gonna get worked up if you tell me that James Brown is more influential than the Winstons. Nevertheless, what I'm saying is that one track by The Winstons compared with a massive back catalogue of James Brown tunes has, arguably, had a greater influence on music.

Yeah, Hip Hop is massive compared to Drum 'n Bass, but elements of Amen Brother now exists in so many different genres of music that I draw comparisons of it to tracks like Impeach The President, but on a larger scale.

Amen Brother spawned a genre, James Brown has influenced Hip Hop ever since it's creation.

Anyway, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Peace.

By Jayembee Fri Mar 23, 2007 8:39 pm
wasup everyone... kind of new here.... i posted kind of a while ago and now im back at it....
as for the topic... i agree with jpfunk in that it is homage to sample someones work to use in your creation. its arguably comparable to selecting an instrument (maybe a certain guitar,ect.) because you know its got the quality sound that you want to use. i like to see this as artform and culture, not business and product. i beleive that all things have a value simply for what they are.... it blows my mind that we can just toss this value away and replace it with a $ value instead. there will always be someone trying to gain control and power... and when an artist allows these powermongers to put a price, or a value, (aside from the true value of the blood,sweat,and tears) on the art.... it becomes a product.... and the culture becomes the business that manufactures this product. i love the idea that the original winstons didnt even bother with pursuing the copyrite infringements.... maybe they understood that the appreciation for the music was all that matterd and they didnt need a fake representation (money) to see that..... or maybe not.... just some thoughts
peace everyone
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By dj e.d.e Sat Mar 24, 2007 3:47 am
Dolo wrote:Yo, respect to you EDE, I hear every piece of advice you give about our little boxes of tricks to make this thing called music, but I don't need to be told that I need to listen to more music.

I appreciate your opinion man, but I was only expressing mine.

Likewise, I ain't gonna get worked up if you tell me that James Brown is more influential than the Winstons. Nevertheless, what I'm saying is that one track by The Winstons compared with a massive back catalogue of James Brown tunes has, arguably, had a greater influence on music.

Yeah, Hip Hop is massive compared to Drum 'n Bass, but elements of Amen Brother now exists in so many different genres of music that I draw comparisons of it to tracks like Impeach The President, but on a larger scale.

Amen Brother spawned a genre, James Brown has influenced Hip Hop ever since it's creation.

Anyway, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Peace.


HERES A LITTLE INFO FOR YOU:
"Funky Drummer" (also known as "The Funky Drummer") is a funk instrumental recorded by James Brown and his band. The recording's drum solo, performed by drummer Clyde Stubblefield, is one of the most frequently sampled rhythmic breaks in hip hop and drum and bass music. By some accounts "Funky Drummer" is the single most sampled recording ever.

so it wasnt just amne break that started that genre!!!!!

i aint tryin to argue this is just knowledge
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By eskaywho Sat Mar 24, 2007 1:31 pm
really informative, thanks for the link

shabaaadoooo

By fobedafied Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:46 pm
dj e.d.e wrote:
Dolo wrote:Yo, respect to you EDE, I hear every piece of advice you give about our little boxes of tricks to make this thing called music, but I don't need to be told that I need to listen to more music.

I appreciate your opinion man, but I was only expressing mine.

Likewise, I ain't gonna get worked up if you tell me that James Brown is more influential than the Winstons. Nevertheless, what I'm saying is that one track by The Winstons compared with a massive back catalogue of James Brown tunes has, arguably, had a greater influence on music.

Yeah, Hip Hop is massive compared to Drum 'n Bass, but elements of Amen Brother now exists in so many different genres of music that I draw comparisons of it to tracks like Impeach The President, but on a larger scale.

Amen Brother spawned a genre, James Brown has influenced Hip Hop ever since it's creation.

Anyway, you have your opinion and I have mine.

Peace.


HERES A LITTLE INFO FOR YOU:
"Funky Drummer" (also known as "The Funky Drummer") is a funk instrumental recorded by James Brown and his band. The recording's drum solo, performed by drummer Clyde Stubblefield, is one of the most frequently sampled rhythmic breaks in hip hop and drum and bass music. By some accounts "Funky Drummer" is the single most sampled recording ever.

so it wasnt just amne break that started that genre!!!!!

i aint tryin to argue this is just knowledge


EDAN the DJ got a dope mix cd called "funky drummer", in which every song he uses has used the funky drummer break... mad tracks!

Edan the Humble Magnificent is his rapper/producer name, Edan the DJ is his DJ name... check it out if you get a chance...
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By dj e.d.e Sun Mar 25, 2007 1:15 am
yeah i got a tape buy dan that used the FDB and it was pretty dope too. i got to see if it's edan actually
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By buddy maxwell Mon Mar 26, 2007 3:07 pm
edan's dope...
Isn't that edan in your avatar, fobedafied?

By fobedafied Mon Mar 26, 2007 9:37 pm
yessir... :D


dopest live show in hiphop... hands down! :wink:
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By c0mplex Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:38 pm
Dolo wrote:Nevertheless, what I'm saying is that one track by The Winstons compared with a massive back catalogue of James Brown tunes has, arguably, had a greater influence on music.

Yeah, Hip Hop is massive compared to Drum 'n Bass, but elements of Amen Brother now exists in so many different genres of music that I draw comparisons of it to tracks like Impeach The President, but on a larger scale.


The Winstons didnt influence anywhere close to the amount James Brown did.. the one element that was taken from The Winstons was the drums... and not due to the style of the drums because they were chopped and re worked various ways.. and even in some cases when they were just looped.. we already had that style.. peeps only latched onto the amen break because of the sounds of the drums not the style itself..

Where as with James Brown.. it wasnt just the drums, but everything... the horn stabs.. the break downs.. the "uh"'s lol... the way the melodys worked over the drums etc etc... James Brown influenced music in a MUCH MUCH bigger way then The Winstons with theyre amen break