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By Peter Project Sun Apr 01, 2007 6:23 am
I'm thinking of picking up an ASR-X. I've got an MPC 2k, but it's nice to switch it up a bit, and these things are going for pretty cheap. Anybody have experience with both these machines and how they compare?
-PP
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By Peter Project Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:27 pm
Thanks for that thread, but I'm thinking ASR-X, not ASR-10.
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By Lampdog Sun Apr 01, 2007 2:39 pm
Find an asr x pro (it's the red one) and get that if you can. You will QUICKLY grow tired of the etch a sketch knobs. I'm talking about the 2 knobs that you control data with. The pads are hard as hell (hard plastic). Advatanges I saw over the 2k were, it has internal stock sounds, internal stock effects, optional max ram is 96mb. STOMPER software is already in the box, meaning you can create your own sounds outta thin air (setting a bunch of pages of parameters and then "create"). The sequencer is garbage, sampling into it is garbage. The black one is lacking but the red if found cheap is the better choice even though the BETTER choice is just stay with your 2k. Save that money.
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By mp3 Sun Apr 01, 2007 7:02 pm
Lampdog wrote:You will QUICKLY grow tired of the etch a sketch knobs. I'm talking about the 2 knobs that you control data with.


they glitchy but they can be replaced.

Lampdog wrote:The pads are hard as hell (hard plastic).


Yeah the pads are wack, but that's what your 2kxl is for...

Lampdog wrote:Advatanges I saw over the 2k were, it has internal stock sounds, internal stock effects, optional max ram is 96mb. STOMPER software is already in the box, meaning you can create your own sounds outta thin air (setting a bunch of pages of parameters and then "create").


the internal effects are crazy! the internal sounds are wack. the Max RAM on the black X is 34MB and the red one is 66MB. Stomper is wack.


Lampdog wrote:The sequencer is garbage,


Its serviceable for simple stuff (meaning 95% of hip hop)

Lampdog wrote:sampling into it is garbage.


What?!?!?!?! You bugging dog. The X is the fastest and easiest sampler out there. Samples sound way better than they sound if you sample them into an MPC (any MPC). My ASR-X sounds better than my MPC 3000, its not even close. And the filters on the X are bananas! The sampling engine is THE reason people get ASRs to go with their MPCs.

Lampdog wrote:The black one is lacking but the red if found cheap is the better choice


Very little difference between them, the major difference is the max RAM, everything else is little stuff like Stomper and decimal tempos in the sequencer. The black one looks better. But if you gonna et a black one, make sure it has OS 2.67 and SCSI installed.
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By proppa Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:37 pm
Peter Project wrote:Thanks for that thread, but I'm thinking ASR-X, not ASR-10.


my bad-

p
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By proppa Sun Apr 01, 2007 9:43 pm
Peter Project wrote:Thanks for that thread, but I'm thinking ASR-X, not ASR-10.


my bad-

p
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By mindcontrol Sun Apr 01, 2007 10:25 pm
u have a 2k already?

and u thinkin about gettin a asr-x?

sure go for it man

the more the merrier!

By Dolphono Thu Apr 05, 2007 5:46 pm
I love the ASR-X. Sampling is madd easy and the sound, Outstanding!
I co-sign with Lampdog, the sequencer is garbage.
The effects in that black box are SWEET!
The pads are very responsive. I’m a gorilla on the pads so ASR-X hard ass pads is a good thing for me. The unit is built like a tank. Also the floppy drive is slow as F***!!!! SCSI zip drive is the way to go.

mp3, your comments are on the $$$$$$

By BeatznBooze Thu Apr 05, 2007 8:26 pm
the ASR-x is a cool machine, but for the money and features, you might as well cop an used 1K and get busy.

By BeatznBooze Sat Apr 07, 2007 4:42 pm
isn't the ASR-X based on the Mirage line while the ASR-10 based on the EPS line?

By BeatznBooze Sat Apr 07, 2007 5:09 pm
oh i see, thanks Lord Toranaga
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By mp3 Sat Apr 07, 2007 6:39 pm
Not exactly. The 10 is a direct descendant of the EPS, which is a direct descendant of the Mirage.

the X has elements of the 10, but its more closely related to the MR//ZR line of synths, as far as its voice architecture goes.

Mirage ESQ-1, SQ-80 1985 The ESQ actually was designed first, but the Mirage was rushed to market before it. The ESQ had a great sound architecture, and was the forerunner of the great Ensoniq sequencer designs.
Original EPS VFX, VFX-SD 1988 The EPS's design lasted until the ASR-10, really - the ASR-10 was really an expansion on the design. Although marketed after the 12-bit sampler wave, the EPS incorporated incredible design features such as Play-While-Load that set it apart from the other samplers in the market. The VFX was released shortly afterward and started the Ensoniq onboard-FX/DSP designs. The VFX-SD added floppy storage and a sequencer (thus "SD").

EPS 16-Plus SD-1, SQ-1,2,R 1990 Ensoniq quickly redesigned the base EPS/VFX structure to upgrade to 16-bit specs in late 1990 with the SD-1 and 16-Plus. They also incorporated the DSP technology into the 16-Plus, and toyed with FlashROM storage with Flashbank. The SQ series was a scaled down VFX-SD model.

ASR-10 TS-10 1992 Released in late 1992, the ASR was the last push toward a "complete" sampler, by upgrading the memory to a maximum 16megs, including stereo sampling, and adding to the DSP technology, among other things. It also showed the age of the original EPS design; sluggishness of operations while playing showed the need for faster designs. The TS was an impressive design, blurring the sampler/synth lines by being able to play sampled sounds.

ASR-88 TS-12 1994 Ensoniq did not release as many new designs in the following years, being occupied by other items, including standalone effects (DP line) and PC sound cards (which perhaps carried their company later). To keep things exciting, Ensoniq released weighted-key versions of the ASR and TS. Functionally, they were no different than the original designs. Ensoniq also released new OS versions of the ASR, enabling foreign sample import and audio-track DiskTrack capability.

ASR-X, ASR-X Pro MR-Rack, Workstation, ZR series 1995, 1997 The MR was the first new design of the "modern" era - the MR-Rack came first, with the Workstations coming about 6-8 months later. These represented changes in Ensoniq's sound architecture - no play-while-load, no polyphonic aftertouch, no front panel editing. However, the sound was improved, the editing was streamlined, and the FX were better than ever. The ASR-X was grafted from this design, and was released in June 1997, about two years after the MR-Rack was released. The ZR seems to be a re-release of the MR with a different name and a couple newer features. The ASR-X Pro, released a year later, is identical to the original ASR-X, with the exception of more memory capacity, added interface buttons, Stomper utility, and FlashROM OS update capability, among other things. The original ASR-X was discontinued when the ASR-X Pro was released.


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