How do you chop up sounds in the 3000/60?

It ain't like a 2000 or XL! You either copy the sample a bunch of times or just keep breakin the sample down.

7 1 4 Beats wrote:It ain't like a 2000 or XL! You either copy the sample a bunch of times or just keep breakin the sample down.

i know it wasy diffrent..

by breaking it down u mean, triming and saving the trims or zone edit??

Breaking a sample down that is say 4 bars down to 4 individual bars and then just keep breaking it down it's actually faster then copy pasting to me cause copy pasting **** up my workflow.

I know this is pretty obvious, but you can just sample the snippets at the outset rather than sampling the longer phrase and then copying and chopping.
Like if I have a whole bar I want to sample, and I know I want 4 equal chops out of it, I'll just set my sample length short, and then sample the first note, save it, move to note 2, sample it etc. It helps if your turntable is right beside the mpc- I got my left hand pushing buttons on the mp, and the right cuing up each note. I find this is the fastest, but you gotta know how want it chopped before you start.

Red Planet wrote:

7 1 4 Beats wrote:It ain't like a 2000 or XL! You either copy the sample a bunch of times or just keep breakin the sample down.

i know it wasy diffrent..

by breaking it down u mean, triming and saving the trims or zone edit??

You can copy zone to snd with the Mansell OS on the 3000. Other than that, its either make copies of the sample and truncate each, or copy zone to temp and then insert intoto another existing sample (like in the 60 bible thread)

Its not hard or easy, just time consuming I guess. I think the 2000xl made it really easy but also those who got used to chopping on there got kinda lazy, seeing the waveform is useful, but I can always use pro tools for that.

greeny_green wrote:I know this is pretty obvious, but you can just sample the snippets at the outset rather than sampling the longer phrase and then copying and chopping.
Like if I have a whole bar I want to sample, and I know I want 4 equal chops out of it, I'll just set my sample length short, and then sample the first note, save it, move to note 2, sample it etc. It helps if your turntable is right beside the mpc- I got my left hand pushing buttons on the mp, and the right cuing up each note. I find this is the fastest, but you gotta know how want it chopped before you start.

This is the best way to work it..

-ORGNL- wrote:Its not hard or easy, just time consuming I guess. I think the 2000xl made it really easy but also those who got used to chopping on there got kinda lazy, seeing the waveform is useful, but I can always use pro tools for that.

Theres no need to see the wav view at all, i used to chop via wave view when i used to use just pc but now i use akai s2000 sampler (which also works via numerical display) and i find it much better to chop that way, Plus we chop usin our ears anyway.. we workin with sound not cuttin out pictures, its best to go by ur ears and not have distractions from the actual sound... coz chops can sound better with the chop points not exactly bang on certain sounds especially when choppin melodys, gives it a real dope sound / feel

^^ good point

I agree too.

i've only used the method described by elmac in the bible thread, but lemme know if i got this right for the other method you guys are referring to:

-truncate the first sample (4-bar loop) to how you want it
-copy sound 3 times & rename the new sounds (ie #2, 3, 4)
-truncate the first sound to be the first note
-truncate the rest to be respective notes

i'll have to play around with that and see if i have enough sample time to copy 3 times. cuz usually i have a couple different drum kits already loaded so memory is somewhat limited. say you wanna do 8 or 16 chops. there's no way you could have enough memory to copy that sound 7 or 15 times without having to truncate as you go. i'll have to test it!

do you usually set your next soft start like 1 millisecond higher to compensate for 'silence' in between chops? like the other dude stated, i really just go by ear but sometimes i have a hard time determining the right soft start/end points for each chop. i guess i just have to keep at it and listen closely to get the right feel. when i go back and play the chops in time they are often off slightly but i'll usually keep one sound of the entire 4-bar loop or whatever to add for the chorus or something but that isn't always on time either. hence, chopping to manipulate the timing of the notes themselves.

also, if i edit the first chop with attack/decay i will do the same settings for the other chops to keep it consistent. but if the chops are off it sounds a little screwy.

i dunno, i guess chopping just takes some fine tuning and there really isn't any tried and trued formula for setting the right slices.

although rather tedious, it's worth the effort once you get those chops sounding nice and tight and you can start playing around with a new sequence.