DEEP CRATES II

incurablebeatlust wrote:the battle for ultimate hiphop nerd-dom continues..

haha

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nah we just trying to get our points across.

but hey at the end of the day it doesnt really matter what we say.

Mindcontrol- You keep claiming that since Hip Hop is a culture, and is not directly tied to commercialism, it is not adversely affected by theft. Let's dissect this claim in a little greater detail.
First what is a culture? According to wikipedia it is product of an individual, group or society of intelligent beings, specifically art, music, science as well as moral belief systems. In Hip Hop's case that's graff, rap, b-boying and djing and they were all arguably founded in the effort to escape the stress of the soul-crushing poverty of the projects in NY in the late 70's.

Now let's assume you, the consumer, don't pay for the pieces of the Hip Hop culture you consume. Where does that extra money needed due to your lost revenue come from? That's right. A day job. While you may have never heard of these before, they are what real adults get to do things like put food on the table and buy gear to make hip hop with.

It's not a strenuous logical leap then, even for someone of your apparent meager mental capacity, to conclude that less money from Hip Hop leads to more "day job" and hence less energy at the end of the day to invest in the dope songs you don't pay for. Not only that, but you are adding to the financial stress of the artist, thus actively working against the defining belief system of Hip Hop.

Why is that hard to understand? More importantly why did I just waist so much godd*mn energy on a canuck?

mechp wrote:Mindcontrol- You keep claiming that since Hip Hop is a culture, and is not directly tied to commercialism, it is not adversely affected by theft. Let's dissect this claim in a little greater detail.
First what is a culture? According to wikipedia it is product of an individual, group or society of intelligent beings, specifically art, music, science as well as moral belief systems. In Hip Hop's case that's graff, rap, b-boying and djing and they were all arguably founded in the effort to escape the stress of the soul-crushing poverty of the projects in NY in the late 70's.

Now let's assume you, the consumer, don't pay for the pieces of the Hip Hop culture you consume. Where does that extra money needed due to your lost revenue come from? That's right. A day job. While you may have never heard of these before, they are what real adults get to do things like put food on the table and buy gear to make hip hop with.

It's not a strenuous logical leap then, even for someone of your apparent meager mental capacity, to conclude that less money from Hip Hop leads to more "day job" and hence less energy at the end of the day to invest in the dope songs you don't pay for. Not only that, but you are adding to the financial stress of the artist, thus actively working against the defining belief system of Hip Hop.

Why is that hard to understand? More importantly why did I just waist so much godd*mn energy on a canuck?

Perfectly said. Props

I'm gonna stop after tis message because its' really not hard to understand what I'm trying to explain. Without support, nothing will flourish, and that goes for any item. Frosted flakes wouldn't be at your grocery store if people didn't pay for it, but that doesn't mean that Mr Kellogs wouldn't be eating a delicious breakfast in the morning. The same thing is happening with Hip-Hop. It's not dead, but it's not going anywhere. It's alive in bedrooms and basements all over the world but no one knows about them. Is that good? The wack producers with no money and no product can't get bootlegged, but them few that try to crawl out the barrel (really put some time and money into their cd) get their material posted on sites for the world to steal. Again, I'm not going to keep on with this anymore. I can't fight all the bootleggers and the people that support it. Ultimately, this is the way things are so we have to use it to our advantage. Some old habits are hard to dye, but change is always necessary. Is the idea of putting together a cd, mass producing it, and hoping it sells an ol- skool idea? Probably. Selling 100,000 cd's out the trunk of a car like hammer did almost 20 years ago rarely happens anymore. Is getting signed to a label and hoping to go platinum a thing of the past? Probably. Independent labels are probably the way to go, and distribution will also be old news also.. I mean, why need a distributor when the mom and pop record stores are closing. Personal greed (bootlegging) has killed a lot of dreams, not just the people that make music, but those that support it also.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRhV5B5USWw
This is what Hip_hop artists have resorted to. Even if Brittany Spears cd gets posted online, she still ain't starvin'.

aight roxstar i can respect that. as for the other dude who replied it seems that u are a little mad and have missed my whole point so theres no need to waste time on you.

Without support, nothing will flourish, and that goes for any item.

i agree with this ofcourse. i dont know if i posted in this thread but i said i do buy aswell, i dont only download. i only buy the stuff i really like though or that im a big fan of.

What point did I miss exactly? That you are wrong and that you just got sonned? ... or maybe it's that your maple-leafy as* is changing it's tune now that you realized you were being ignorant.

I'm done.

mindcontrol wrote:

dawg u buy i burn