I want to buy an mpc for hip hop drums

They never had the older mpc's where they had to use creativity and or skill.... Dont let more options be your deciding factor, because you will never understand true beat making with alot of this new stuff thats on these samplers now...

i'm sorry but this makes you look REALLY ignorant. this kind of talk is just hurting to get viciously shut down

I happen to own a mpc2500, but i rarely use it anymore, because to be honest the Mpc-500 is not that much of a difference...

the difference is very, very clear. the 500 is just fine and dandy (albeit over overpriced) for a wav playback machine. it's a real handy midi controller/sampler. i'd love one for portable sampling. for the right person, it'd make a good addition to another workstation--even as a standalone workstation for WAV PLAYBACK.

clearly, i'm not bashing the 500. i would rather say i'm clearing murky water here. to say there's not much difference in between the os of the 500 and the os of the 1000/2500 is horribly misleading to a potential user. i haven't even gotten into the difference in sequencing power between these two classes of units.

if that is true then the 1 2.5 and 4 are even more expensive WAV playback devices....this ASDR thing you tongue kiss with is well....just not a deal maker or breaker for me fella

Straight.....on the real....for your purposes and desire to get straight from idea to product....a 500 will more than suit your needs at a very respectable price

a 1000 or higher of course have some things the 500 does not but in essence are basically the same machine

a 500 will more than suit your needs at a very respectable price

neither of us know this dude's real needs or his musical history, only a very basic description in the first post. so let's operate here with a little more tact and caution. if the 500 suits his fancy then fantastic, he's got himself an answer - and maybe he'll come out of it knowing a little more about sampling in general.

milaner69 wrote:if that is true then the 1 2.5 and 4 are even more expensive WAV playback devices....

no. jj os2 turns the machine into a system with sampling capabilities that are in most cases the norm. trace the history of samplers - the vast majority of them all had ADSR control - including akai's rack samplers. this is not a "new function," this is one of the FIRST functions which, excluding the 4000, were not present in MPCs.

couple ADSR with additional loop setting support and you have an actual sampler - and one of the key traits of an actual sampler is that it can function as a synthesizer using the samples you have loaded. a full fledged sampler IS a synthesizer by nature.

the 500 simply will not do this. again, since people want to catch feelings: this is not an attack on your machine. this is the simple truth of the matter: there are POTENTIALLY very very important functions that one would miss either immediately or in the future of their MPC use career.

can you live without ADSR? yeah. 99.9% of the songs i've ever made were made without ADSR, and my drum programming is kind of the focal point of my production ability.

http://nymantics.com/thesickness.mp3

but would i ever go back? hell no. the aspect of control i am able to achieve using multiple layers on different pads with differenet ADSR settings, SIMULTed together to create 1 pad with multiple layers lends FAR more to my "sound" than the nature of these machines' converters ever would. if you have the option between AD and ADSR, especially for drums, the choice is very, very clear.

this is a VERY long read, but i really recommend it to the original poster.
in fact, i recommend a thorough study of this article for ANYONE who is about to purchase a sampler, soft or hard.

(note that the articles they are displayed in reverse order)

http://www.soundonsound.com/search?sect ... f+sampling

Antonym wrote:

but my main goal is the sound because I don't want to do my drum beats in FL anymore. it's a good program but my drums just don't come alive.

you have more control over sound in FL, actually, than you will ever have with the 500

500 is pretty much a wav playback device with a few limited "carving" options: low pass filter, attack, decay

for actually putting together drum sequences, a 1000 or 2500 with the jj os has leagues more potential. you will have far more control over drums with a 1000 and jj os: the magic acronym being ADSR. control EVERY element of how your drum sample plays, not just the attack and release (called DECAY in the earlier os's, 500 included)

A: attack. the "fade in" of your drum. you can make a snare sound like it was brushed this way instead of smacked.

D: decay. how long after the attack does the sound level drop to the SUSTAIN parameter (explained below)

S: sustain. at what level does the sample continue to play after it drops from the attack

R: release. when your finger leaves the pad, how long does the tail play?

ESSENTIAL for drum programming.

here, i'm not talking about effects. in this case, all mpcs suck. that's not where their strengths lie. same with filters - i very rarely use the filters when building my drums. using different layers, ADSR, and SIMULT pads (2 pads linked and played with the touch of 1 for further ADSR control) you have enormous control.

the difference is going to lie with you. are you just looking for a wav playback device, or are you actually trying to shape your sounds?

think of it this way: you're an old lady who is making a blanket. are you using scraps of other cloth as they currently exist and piecing them together to make a patchwork, OR are you actually looking to weave the yarn itself?

the main difference here based on SOUND ALONE lies almost entirely in the sculpting capabilities of ADSR.

But the 500 has ADSR editing capabilities... I thought.

ghostlywhitemachines wrote:
But the 500 has ADSR editing capabilities... I thought.

I think it only has Attack and Decay..... but I know for certain it doesn't have full ADSR editing.

Antonym wrote:

but my main goal is the sound because I don't want to do my drum beats in FL anymore. it's a good program but my drums just don't come alive.

you have more control over sound in FL, actually, than you will ever have with the 500

500 is pretty much a wav playback device with a few limited "carving" options: low pass filter, attack, decay

for actually putting together drum sequences, a 1000 or 2500 with the jj os has leagues more potential. you will have far more control over drums with a 1000 and jj os: the magic acronym being ADSR. control EVERY element of how your drum sample plays, not just the attack and release (called DECAY in the earlier os's, 500 included)

A: attack. the "fade in" of your drum. you can make a snare sound like it was brushed this way instead of smacked.

D: decay. how long after the attack does the sound level drop to the SUSTAIN parameter (explained below)

S: sustain. at what level does the sample continue to play after it drops from the attack

R: release. when your finger leaves the pad, how long does the tail play?

ESSENTIAL for drum programming.

here, i'm not talking about effects. in this case, all mpcs suck. that's not where their strengths lie. same with filters - i very rarely use the filters when building my drums. using different layers, ADSR, and SIMULT pads (2 pads linked and played with the touch of 1 for further ADSR control) you have enormous control.

the difference is going to lie with you. are you just looking for a wav playback device, or are you actually trying to shape your sounds?

think of it this way: you're an old lady who is making a blanket. are you using scraps of other cloth as they currently exist and piecing them together to make a patchwork, OR are you actually looking to weave the yarn itself?

the main difference here based on SOUND ALONE lies almost entirely in the sculpting capabilities of ADSR.

thanks for help

I know exactly what ADSR is, and I do know that FL have more options than an MPC. (however, FL's envelopes are not that good for drums)

but the end result's quality seems to be more "live" and punchy with an MPC

a lot of people told me that there is no sound and timing difference between softwares and mpcs, but I still hear what I hear.

Straight wrote:thanks for help

I know exactly what ADSR is, and I do know that FL have more options than an MPC. (however, FL's envelopes are not that good for drums)

but the end result's quality seems to be more "live" and punchy with an MPC

a lot of people told me that there is no sound and timing difference between softwares and mpcs, but I still hear what I hear.

Also as far as the sound of the mpc goes I'm not sure if you're speaking of the classic mpc swing but if so you may want to consider Reason 4 with it's Regroove mixer. It has several Mpc 60 swing templates that you can apply at the click of the mouse.

I got at least 4 types of mpc swing quantizing template, and none of them makes my beats sound like that. It just don't work.

To make a long story short, I need that MPC sound (the MPC sound which some people say just don't exist) and swing

I do everything else in FL and Digital performer, i just want to do simple drum patterns on the MPC which I record into DP. All I want to know if the 500 has that, or have some weak A/D converter.


I don't use samplecuts, so I ain't gon chop or anything like that.

The little LCD is not a problem to me, I got an S2000 which is has the same size screen and I'm happy with that.

Straight wrote:I got at least 4 types of mpc swing quantizing template, and none of them makes my beats sound like that. It just don't work.

To make a long story short, I need that MPC sound (the MPC sound which some people say just don't exist) and swing

I do everything else in FL and Digital performer, i just want to do simple drum patterns on the MPC which I record into DP. All I want to know if the 500 has that, or have some weak A/D converter.


I don't use samplecuts, so I ain't gon chop or anything like that.

The little LCD is not a problem to me, I got an S2000 which is has the same size screen and I'm happy with that.

Well in that case, all the facts(for the most part) have been presented to you and it seems as if you have made your decision.......so go out and get yourself a mpc 500 and with that.....happy beat making to you.

Upright wrote:

Straight wrote:I got at least 4 types of mpc swing quantizing template, and none of them makes my beats sound like that. It just don't work.

To make a long story short, I need that MPC sound (the MPC sound which some people say just don't exist) and swing

I do everything else in FL and Digital performer, i just want to do simple drum patterns on the MPC which I record into DP. All I want to know if the 500 has that, or have some weak A/D converter.


I don't use samplecuts, so I ain't gon chop or anything like that.

The little LCD is not a problem to me, I got an S2000 which is has the same size screen and I'm happy with that.

Well in that case, all the facts(for the most part) have been presented to you and it seems as if you have made your decision.......so go out and get yourself a mpc 500 and with that.....happy beat making to you.

yeah I think I have the neccessary answers

thanks

It'll take about a month to get the missing money, maybe I have to sell my akai sampler
when I got the 500, I'll tell yall what's up

thanks everybody

as far as sound.. I've figured that you should just sample analog to the mpc 500. The sound will come out warmer than using a wave file made in a computer. You can tweak the sample the way you want it to sound before you sample it and also the mpc 500 has a built in frequency equalizer. The only problem I have with it is that there are too many damned folder to have to go to in order to manuever in it. Other than that it's a great portable device. I use it on my way to work and on my way home on public transportation. It's well worth the $650 i paid for it with the 128mb of memory installed. If you happen to be used to the mpc 2000xl, it might be a little headache getting around in the mpc 500, but if you have experience with the 1000 or the 2500, you can find your way around pretty much blind folded.. i say "BUY"

noramoss wrote:as far as sound.. I've figured that you should just sample analog to the mpc 500. The sound will come out warmer than using a wave file made in a computer. You can tweak the sample the way you want it to sound before you sample it and also the mpc 500 has a built in frequency equalizer. The only problem I have with it is that there are too many damned folder to have to go to in order to manuever in it. Other than that it's a great portable device. I use it on my way to work and on my way home on public transportation. It's well worth the $650 i paid for it with the 128mb of memory installed. If you happen to be used to the mpc 2000xl, it might be a little headache getting around in the mpc 500, but if you have experience with the 1000 or the 2500, you can find your way around pretty much blind folded.. i say "BUY"

yeah I'll definetely use the input converters. I won't really use the USB to transfer samples, I'll record them.

I can't really wait to cop that shit