Questions about the mpc 5000: shoot

Conclusion: what you want is possible.

Oh wait you want to HD record the wet signal instead of sampling it directly.

Let's see... ah, that works too.

I was wondering if you could put in a request for timing correct. I would like to be able to audition the parameter adjustments with play start and stop in the timing correct window before committing. Even if you could only change the values after pressing stop. This would make it faster and easier to get the right swing on prerecorded material.

I also rarely use input (real time) quantize so I would like a separate parameter to turn that off. As it is, every time after using timing correct you have to turn it off again prior to recording because they are linked. It is OK that the note value is linked but the on/off should be separate for record input.

Last there should be undo for T.C. like on the 2500.

Another one. It would be cool if holding shift on the main screen turns the pads + pad banks into track selects.

Thanks, scd!!! I really appreciate it!

I guess this means I can fatten up the samples quite easily with that HD feature! To me this is a BIG plus!

I prefer using the digital outs on the 5K and use my own D/A & A/D to connect to my analog gears and stuff. In this case I won't need another device to route the samples back and forth. The inclusion of a hard disk really makes life easier.

8chez wrote:Thanks, scd!!! I really appreciate it!

I guess this means I can fatten up the samples quite easily with that HD feature! To me this is a BIG plus!

I prefer using the digital outs on the 5K and use my own D/A & A/D to connect to my analog gears and stuff. In this case I won't need another device to route the samples back and forth. The inclusion of a hard disk really makes life easier.

That makes sense. But again, beware that you can not monitor your returned signal then when using the sample fuction. You CAN however monitor your signal when using the HD recording function now I think of it:

trackmixer->main L+R (so it also goes to the digital out)
digital out->outboard FX
wet signal back into mpc = input 1+2 on the mpc
you record your HD track from the input 1 and 2 and send the signal in the HD mixer to sub out 1 and 2 which could go to your mixingdesk.
Only thing is that your mainouts will also go to your mixing desk and contain the dry signal. For direct send effects that is not desirable, for reverbs, delays etc it is.

I hooked up my good old VS880 (which has digital in and out) and I even managed to go digital from the mpc to the VS880 and digital back into the mpc.
Again with the same restriction that you can not kill the direct signal going out of the main outs on the mpc.
But all in all I think this is all pretty cool.

b-righteous wrote:I was wondering if you could put in a request for timing correct. I would like to be able to audition the parameter adjustments with play start and stop in the timing correct window before committing. Even if you could only change the values after pressing stop. This would make it faster and easier to get the right swing on prerecorded material.

I also rarely use input (real time) quantize so I would like a separate parameter to turn that off. As it is, every time after using timing correct you have to turn it off again prior to recording because they are linked. It is OK that the note value is linked but the on/off should be separate for record input.

Last there should be undo for T.C. like on the 2500.

Your first question. At the moment the T.C. parameters are a non real time feature, except quantize and swing when recording. Not sure if this is possible at all on the 5k. Will ask about that and, if possible, enter it in the bugtrackers feature request list. I get your point and agree that realtime t.c. in play mode could be a timesaver.

Second question. It *is* possible turning off real time quantize (in record mode), by just setting the note value to off. But I think you mean that when you used the quantize function (by choosing one or another value), after that you have to set it to off again, right? So you want an extra parameter on\off besides that? I don't see the use of that really. But maybe I understand you wrongly. Let me know.

Third question. There *is* an undo for T.C.

Boele

b-righteous wrote:Another one. It would be cool if holding shift on the main screen turns the pads + pad banks into track selects.

Sounds like a good one to me. Will enter this.

8chez wrote:I prefer using the digital outs on the 5K and use my own D/A & A/D to connect to my analog gears and stuff. In this case I won't need another device to route the samples back and forth. The inclusion of a hard disk really makes life easier.

Yes, and since the 5000 has some really nice internal effects as well, you can mangle your samples that way too, by just sampling from the outputs.

I have a question for you scd.. can the hard disk recorder be used in conjunction with midi sequences in pattern mode, in other words if you have a looping drum pattern, can you add a live bassline onto the hard disk recorder and have them play in sync together?

You can only record HD audio in SONG mode.

This means that your song at least must have one sequence programmed (or more). That one sequence can be set to HOLD in songmode, so you sort of have a looping sequence right?

They run in sync with each other of course.

earwolf wrote:both the mpc 1000 and the 2500 have suffered from defective pads.......

Not true. MPC 2500 doesn't have defective pads.....over 2 years of use.

thanks for the reply.
In that case, how do you find the ease of editing parts of hd recorded audio? can you cut a section of a couple bars and paste it easily, that type of thing? is the song editing fairly well represented graphically?

The reason I want the separate on/off for T.C is to separate input quantize (real time in Akai terms) from the off line quantize. The input quantize would remember it's off state and stay off since I almost never want to use it. I only like to quantize after I recorded so I have full control. This way I do not have to remember to go through the extra step of turning off quantize after each time I use it or prior to recording. I just want to turn off record input quantize and for it to stay off without switching every time.

What I propose is to remove the off setting from the note value field. You could add a separate parameter called "input quantize" (that is what the rest of the industry calls it) to T.C. It could be only available when you press T.C. from play or record right beneath note value. The actual note value settings will be remembered as always regardless of how you quantize. The on/off would be exclusively for input.

Glad T.C. can be undone.

i also interested in the hd recording features.
are there copy/paste/move options?

Regarding the HD features, I'd say check the online manual. Everything described there is working. You can indeed easily cut and paste bars of audio, truncate, erase, normalize, import etc. etc.
See the manual from page 64 please.

You have a simple but effective representation of the audio, on which you can zoom in as well.