SP12 or ASR10

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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By Blaknif Thu Jun 26, 2008 2:29 pm
kneebone77 wrote:
tbiggz wrote:
Dude alot of peeps still use the ASR for everything look at Don Cannon, Nottz, Kanye, Jake One, Vitamin D, Slopfunkdust, Illmind, Bab's, Muggs, Mathematic, Toomp, David Banner, Necro.


Yeah, I guess none of those guys drums move me too much. I've actually heard drums from Kev Brown on the 2kxl that have that sound similar to SP12 drums but not as open. Plus I'm not really up on the whole Kanye style of beats. Like "the corner" beat he did was nice, but the drums didn't rock so much as the music.

When I listen to something like the U.N. (say Game of Death), to me THOSE are goddamn drums. You can't really get that from an ASR, and it wouldn't be worth it to try.


IMO drums on the ASR can knock and slap really hard but the sequencer is one of the most stiff, un-groovy sequencers ever. The "biggest" names on that list up there pair the ASR with an MPC for sequencing. ??? That must be they're edge... :P
Not true, if you know the machine, u can have your drums free as a bird!!! i've had people ask me if I used an MPC to sequence things i did in the ASR-10.
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By kneebone77 Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:18 pm
StonesThrow wrote:Illmind and Nottz's drums dont move you?!?!?!?
Go listen to Everybody rise and come back seriously telling me that nottz does not have some of the most banging drums out. Dude is a fking beast easily one of the best rocking it right now


Ya know...
Nottz also uses an SP-1200 :wink: ...
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By kneebone77 Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:36 pm
Blaknif wrote:
kneebone77 wrote:IMO drums on the ASR can knock and slap really hard but the sequencer is one of the most stiff, un-groovy sequencers ever. The "biggest" names on that list up there pair the ASR with an MPC for sequencing. ??? That must be they're edge... :P
Not true, if you know the machine, u can have your drums free as a bird!!! i've had people ask me if I used an MPC to sequence things i did in the ASR-10.


I don't doubt what your sayin, If you understand how the ASR-10 works, with a bit of coaxing you can get what you want out of it. But you gotta admit it's not as simple as just applying a swing value and the way the sequencer on the ASR-10 is designed is less user friendly than an MPC as far as playing without quantize is concerned.
Having said all that, I still love the ASR-10! :)
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By Lampdog Thu Jun 26, 2008 3:52 pm
Blaknif wrote:
kneebone77 wrote:IMO drums on the ASR can knock and slap really hard but the sequencer is one of the most stiff, un-groovy sequencers ever. The "biggest" names on that list up there pair the ASR with an MPC for sequencing. ??? That must be they're edge... :P
Not true, if you know the machine, u can have your drums free as a bird!!! i've had people ask me if I used an MPC to sequence things i did in the ASR-10.


Thank you for saying that. I've made songs/beats tracks on the asr10 that knock equally hard and in some cases, sounded better than some of my mpc stuff. People LOVE to believe and go along with the popular vote, opinion, opinion turned into e-fact. Because it's a "manual" machine many newcomers have written it off, big mistake. Biggest names, so what, do you, don't matter what they use, you use what you got, do GOOD with it and trust me no one will know what you used unless you use alot of default sounds that everyone else has access to on the same machine (hint.hint. fruity loop drums sounds - untweaked). If there is a problem with the sequencer, it's you, the tools are there. If there is a problem with a regular ole sample, it's you, the tools are there.
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By Blaknif Thu Jun 26, 2008 5:03 pm
kneebone77 wrote:
Blaknif wrote:
kneebone77 wrote:IMO drums on the ASR can knock and slap really hard but the sequencer is one of the most stiff, un-groovy sequencers ever. The "biggest" names on that list up there pair the ASR with an MPC for sequencing. ??? That must be they're edge... :P
Not true, if you know the machine, u can have your drums free as a bird!!! i've had people ask me if I used an MPC to sequence things i did in the ASR-10.


I don't doubt what your sayin, If you understand how the ASR-10 works, with a bit of coaxing you can get what you want out of it. But you gotta admit it's not as simple as just applying a swing value and the way the sequencer on the ASR-10 is designed is less user friendly than an MPC as far as playing without quantize is concerned.
Having said all that, I still love the ASR-10! :)
No, not as simple, but simple doesn't make for better. In some cases, i prefer ASR's sequencer more (i.e. song Mode). These days no one likes to take time and learn their machines. evn today I'm still learning new techniques on all of my machines. when i stop learning then I will say I'm tired of _____________.
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By kneebone77 Thu Jun 26, 2008 6:26 pm
Just for the record, I did'nt say the MPC sequencer was "better" I simply said that the ASR-10 "sequencer is one of the most stiff, un-groovy sequencers ever." Which to be fair is very exaggerated, but does not change my opinion that the sequencer is stiff, un-groovy & "harder" to work with compared to the MPC. Secondly these are not the beliefs of someone "going along with the popular vote, opinion, opinion turned into e-fact" because I owned an EPS classic as my very FIRST beat machine and knew how to work an MPC before I even knew that the Internet existed... Everything I've stated here, Is coming from my very own firsthand experience and observations not hearsay or word of mouth pontifications. Lastly, I started off the whole thing with IMO, (In My Opinion) and no way tried to spin my statements as being "Hard Facts". Just wanted to put that out there for any who may have though I was baggin on that particular piece of gear, cause that wasn't all my intentions.

One thing for sure though can all agree that the ASR-10 undeniably KNOCKS!!!
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By kneebone77 Thu Jun 26, 2008 7:02 pm
I don't currently. But I use to own an ASR-88.

I've owed every incarnation before with exception of the Mirage.
EPS classic
EPS 16+ (keyboard and rack) I still got the rack...
ASR-88
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By Lampdog Fri Jun 27, 2008 5:57 am
I've ALWAYS wanted that ASR10 with the LCD screen.
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By StonesThrow Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:21 am
Yea i dont think i would be able to use the clock radio display to chop. :lol:
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By tbiggz Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:26 pm
I'd just like to add that I've been using ensoniq machines since 1991/92. I mean, I used an EPS, then a 16+ for years in the studio, and moved to an ASR around 93/94. I got an SP1200 around 94 too (when I officially stopped with the EPS classic). It's funny, I get the years wrong a lot cause I don't think I'm that old.

So, for me, this is not conjecture. The machines I acquired later (when I came into some doe) I'm less familiar with. I use the MPC3000, SP and ASR mostly at the moment.

I don't know how to say it but back before the internet, getting someone's view on this stuff was all you really had and it was priceless. So in that spirit, I offer my opinion. Pro-artists will tell you another version, only with all the added hype that you read in magazines, and it's all relative. They're opinion is useful, but don't read too much into it unless you want to completely emulate it.

It's similar in a way, to lifting. You can read those glossy magazines and buy protein powder and think you'll get big. But genetics are 90% of it. And it takes a long time to find out. Developing your inate potential takes lots of hard work, so everyone works pretty hard, but then you're still limited to your potential. But does that mean the less blessed/talented doesn't know anything?

It's the same for a lot of things like music too. Unfortunately, like I said, it takes a long time to find out.
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By Blaknif Fri Jun 27, 2008 3:44 pm
StonesThrow wrote:Yea i dont think i would be able to use the clock radio display to chop. :lol:

Use your ears, hear the chop!!!!
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By StonesThrow Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:20 pm
Blaknif wrote:
StonesThrow wrote:Yea i dont think i would be able to use the clock radio display to chop. :lol:

Use your ears, hear the chop!!!!

Stfu, im really tired of people saying this. I'll chop how i want to whether i use my ears or numbers is not of your concern.
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By kneebone77 Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:03 pm
StonesThrow wrote:
Blaknif wrote:
StonesThrow wrote:Yea i dont think i would be able to use the clock radio display to chop. :lol:

Use your ears, hear the chop!!!!

Stfu, im really tired of people saying this. I'll chop how i want to whether i use my ears or numbers is not of your concern.


I hear ya, but chopping on the ASR-10 is Hella easy IMO. Even Stevie Wonder could do it! :wink:
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Re: SP12 or ASR10

By Blaknif Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:59 pm
StonesThrow wrote:
Blaknif wrote:
StonesThrow wrote:Yea i dont think i would be able to use the clock radio display to chop. :lol:

Use your ears, hear the chop!!!!

Stfu, im really tired of people saying this. I'll chop how i want to whether i use my ears or numbers is not of your concern.
Look Playboy, don't get out of line with me b/c u need to play connect the dots to chop a damn loop. i was simply stating the obvious. Do we make music or waveforms? unless its on a staff sheet music is meant to be heard not looked at. If you are tired of people telling you what's real, then maybe you should STFU & stop making stupid azz comments like the one you made from the beggining. Catch that stone MUTHA F&*#A!!!
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