Name me a good hardware synth for around $1200 bucks

mwalker wrote:by the way, korg is making a triton vsti.

Unless your in a very successful band there's really not much need for a hardware synth - it says something when all the major synth and sampler corps go digital!

EMU
Korg
Novation

I'm not in a band and I gave up on learning composition when my mom stopped paying for piano lessons when I was 8 so...I figure that's what vinyl records are for

mwalker wrote:by the way, korg is making a triton vsti.

AAAAAAAWWWWWWWLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Must.....Keep.........hands........out....of....pants.........

Swissmaster Cheese wrote:the thing i'm going for is Basslines and just complicated fuked up sounds....which is why I would need a synth(Nord Lead, Access Virus, Novation etc..) and not a Synth(Motif, Triton, Fantom, etc)........the problem is that you cant necessarily produce these things from the MPC..well, you could but it would be incredibly hard on its own hence why i would need a synth...the Triton Rack is already on my list though if I can find something in software form thats comparable to it then i'm gonna be all over it.....in other words...i need synthesis and not a Rompler as you suggested...

"oh, and mac would be nice, but if you love the mpc, youll love a synth. how are you gonna sequence software synth from mpc? yeah i know it can be done, but that defeats the purpose of the mpc......in that case you should just go all software, and get a mp16 pad. BUT if you really need a computer for recording, it may be worth it. How do your beats stand alone just on the mpc?"

well you see, if I could produce pads, sweeps, whatever with the mpc then I certainly would and yes I do intend to sequence my software with the mpc but how does that defeat the purpose? do you even know what you're talking about?

yeah dude, you can make some good synth patches and basses with the triton.....even though its a rompler you can do all the synthesis......granted it may not have some of the types of filters and shit like a nord lead would have, but its definately good enough, plus you can sample shit, then add it too synthisis-combine it with tons of sounds or more samples. Or you can add the moss expansion board for the VA sounds, its a similar engine to the MS2000.

the triton is kind of like having the sampling of the mpc, a rompler, and ability to do VA all in one, so you can combine sampling and synthesis like you would want to with the mpc. Creating pads on the triton is easy too. And you can add tons of effects. If you go to www.tritonhaven.com to the downloads section, you can download .pcgs for the triton, there are some sets that have a million differant variety of pads-try the legacy collections.

I think sequencing software from the mpc defeats the purpose because you might as well use a software sequencer.

djadonis206 wrote:

mwalker wrote:by the way, korg is making a triton vsti.

Unless your in a very successful band there's really not much need for a hardware synth - it says something when all the major synth and sampler corps go digital!

EMU
Korg
Novation

I'm not in a band and I gave up on learning composition when my mom stopped paying for piano lessons when I was 8 so...I figure that's what vinyl records are for

i diss agree, its not as fun on the computer......i like knobs, granted thats just my opinion so dont get all in a hissy. ALso the brands are jumping to digital because thats where the money is at, not because its necisarrily better. Everybody in there brother has a computer, and want to do music with it, so its just another market to get into........i agree, a little mac laptop decked out with softsynths is awesome, but its all in the knobs, pads, and little screens

and we come back to that holy grail of a point that seems to ease all tensions

"It all depends on what your into!"

I like vinyl and effects - right now the parties at www.ableton.com and I must say...2 weeks ago I had no idea and now I do...time moves pretty fast when your in the drivers seat of life

It's wednesday the Premier of RENO 911 2nd season is on tonight in the states - FYI

cyrus wrote:yeah dude, you can make some good synth patches and basses with the triton.....even though its a rompler you can do all the synthesis......granted it may not have some of the types of filters and **** like a nord lead would have, but its definately good enough, plus you can sample ****, then add it too synthisis-combine it with tons of sounds or more samples. Or you can add the moss expansion board for the VA sounds, its a similar engine to the MS2000.

thats real, im sitting here with the triton rack right now (just doodling with it), def more filter options and synthesis possibilities than my Motif had. im liking it, it came with an expansion board to.

djadonis206 wrote:and we come back to that holy grail of a point that seems to ease all tensions

"It all depends on what your into!"

I like vinyl and effects - right now the parties at www.ableton.com and I must say...2 weeks ago I had no idea and now I do...time moves pretty fast when your in the drivers seat of life

It's wednesday the Premier of RENO 911 2nd season is on tonight in the states - FYI

exactly!!!!!except i dont know about the RENO 911 thing...lol!

peace

Yes you can get more for less with softsynths. But godammn it using the mouse/keyboard to twiddle the virtual knobs is just not as fun as the knobs. I use mostly software and the whole mouse thing is the biggest drawback. Plus you are going to get more unique results running a hardware synth through some old ass guitar stomp box. Yeah, you can run softsynths out through your converters, back into your outboard but then you have timing issues and blah blah blah. I do use software for most stuff because of routing, more choices etc but there's plusses and minuses on both sides. Most people who are really pursuing a sound use both. Convenience-wise if you just need to bang out projects I guess software's better, but whenever I do projects using just softsynths it is a little plastic sounding. I mean it's good, but virtual hammond organ is not hammond organ, ya know...

I do not like to buy computers. They hold little value and have about 1/10 of the lifetime of a peice of music hardware.

Most every MPC60 is still rocking strong today while a computer from the same period, a 486 that runs at 33 mHz and had 4 meg of memory, is not even worth scrap metal.

Most software based types are also locked in a endless cycle of buying/upgrading hardware to keep up with the requirements of software. Plus the cost of entry into a computer based system is very expensive. Some of the interfacing hardware alone can be more than a standalone hard disk recorder. So while you make get `more`(if you think that not getting knobs/buttons is actually more), I do not agree that it costs less.

Software still has limitations and these are usually tied to the platform it is based on. Computers are not designed specifically as samplers or recorders, but rather is a general purpose 'one size fits all' machines (meaning that the same architecture you are trying to run Reason is also used to process spreadsheets, run this forum, play games or create an episode of Southpark). A modern synth, even though it is a computer-like, is specifically designed for a specific task. They even have their own realtime operating system that is small enough to fit on 1 floppy and delivers exactly what you want when you want it. A general purpose computer queue's your request and will get to it eventually. Sheer speed is used to as an attempt to overcome this hurdle, but that is a lot of power and money to emulate something that specific hardware has always been able to do. A recent popular computer operating system has a footprint that would not even fit on 700 million floppies (and costs more than a decent used sampler).


I am not sure I would recommend the Waldorf Q keyboard. Soncially powerful but Waldorf did manage to go bankrupt recently so support is non-existent (and future OS updates is looking bleak). Lucky for me I only have 3 Waldorf peices including the Q keyboard instead of 5.

how much does a mpc3000 or 4000 cost? a hardware recorder and other synt cost? now day you could purchare a half decent computer for about $700 to $800 with 1 gig of ram. a soundcard for $200 to $400 (mbox get a copy of pro tools le free). anyone who takes the computer route must have in there music budget a new computer every 3 years (at the most). after 10 years the cost of the 3vcomputers would be $2400 still less than mpc3000 or 4000. so, i do not understand your argument.

computers sound like doo doo without a lot of work.

i agree computer do need allot of work to get up and running. but when you have your system hummin... there is nothing like. personally, i am on my 4th music computer (486, pII 400mhz 2 4 gig scsi harddrives, pIII 1.7 ghz and pIV 2.6 ghz). after getting my gateway pII 400mhz to work the next two systems that i got was a breeze to setup. i have been doing the hardware thing for awhile and my hardware studio which is fully functionable is like a dinasaur compared to my laptop setup. i have 11 hardware modules do you know how long it takes to program them all. with my hardware studio i would layer a few modules together to get a thick sound and it took a while to program the sounds, env, lfo, pan, etc. plus, i would have to be home to program them. with a laptop i could be anywhere trying to create new sounds, mix, remix, beat, song etc.

it is not whether hardware is better than software or vice-versa, it is whether an individual can function in both worlds. whether in a hardware or software studio can an individual still perform.

i guess talent is the key. by goerge i think i got it.

elmacaco wrote:computers sound like doo doo without a lot of work.

yeah, I agree. but then also, it is easier to process the sounds with plugins, etc, or in your mastering software.

I know my beats sound better in my mpc than FL....something about the DACs

even the pro's that use softies run them through plutek eq's and good compressor outboard to get it to shine. Software alone just can't compare.

"now day you could purchare a half decent computer for about $700 to $800 with 1 gig of ram. a soundcard for $200 to $400 ...after 10 years the cost of the 3vcomputers would be $2400"

You are comparing a low-end computer (and m-box) with high-end pro pieces. Still yet, you could only buy computer for $700 recently. When the 486 was released ten years ago it was nearly $2000.