MPC/MV users care to share your insights? Opinions Welcome

Hello
I would be interested in hearing from any MPC users (60, 3000, 2000, 4000, 1000) that now use or have tried the Roland MV 8000 extensively.


I am new to the whole MPC thing and semi new to recording.
I recently bought an MPC 3000 LE and I am not sure I did the right thing?
Dont get me wrong, I do really like it, but I am not sure it was THE piece that I should have got.

I also just bought (should arrive next week) PT HD. I was using MOTU's Digital Performer...hated it, hated it, hated it and oh yeah, hated it!...except Mach V...still learning it though.

I tried Pro Tools and was very impressed by its simplicity.
However, I am not interested in "composing" in Pro Tools or on/inside any DAW. I am a musician first and it doesnt come naturally to me to sit at a computer and compose. Tweaking synths, playing my parts and banging out rythms on an MPC or drum machine just feels right for me. You know... power on, press record and flow.
I primarily intend to use Pro Tools for over dubbing, tracking vocals/gtrs/bass, editing and mixing as the plug ins are amazing.

But for sequencing, sampling and composing, I bought an MPC 3000 LE. So far, I do love it...it is my first hardware sequencer/sampler box and I find it to be very condusive to creating/composing music. It is like an instrument unto itself. The sequencer is so tight and natural sounding and the swing function is all that and more. After spending a couple of days on it, my drum programming sounds much better than it ever did on MOTU Digital Performer.

Why cant they make sftware sequencers that tight?

But would I have been better off with the MV 8000 or MPC 4000? I primarily want an external stand alone box/hardware that I can use for sequencing, sampling and composing with my keyboards. I already own a number of hrdwr synths including the xv and jv so i dont need anymore sounds.

So my questions are:

In your opinions, which machine is better suited for integration/sync with Pro Tools?
In your opinions, which machine has a tighter and more natural feeling sequencer?
Which machine is better suited/more versatile for rhythmic sampling/looping and programming?
Which machine will better accomodate/control my midi keyboard set up?
Which machine has a more versatile and feature rich sampler?

Please dont hate on me for this post. I am not trying to start a debate, and I am asking the same questions over on MV sites, just trying to inform and educate myself.
I am not asking which machine is better, but in your opinions (and only those opinions which have used both platforms please) which machine is better suited for my applications as stated above.

If you could help a newbie out, it would be appreciated.

Thanks.

In your opinions, which machine is better suited for integration/sync with Pro Tools?
In your opinions, which machine has a tighter and more natural feeling sequencer?
Which machine is better suited/more versatile for rhythmic sampling/looping and programming?
Which machine will better accomodate/control my midi keyboard set up?

mpc 4k

Which machine has a more versatile and feature rich sampler?

dunno bout that one, it depends on your personal needs


Basically the MV is geared mostly to be an all in one machine (good machine btw)

MP4k is better geared towards being linked up to other things like PT
With higher seq resolution and 24 bit being highpoints

I've used every Mpc out,but the 4000 is the best out of all of them. I use hardware also,and the 4000 has allowed me to slim my set up down. I've sampled all of my old keyboards,and modules,and either put them away,or sold them. The MV is a cool machine,but it hasnt been road tested enough for me. To me it's like buying a Kia, commercials say they are good cars,but they havent been out long enough to prove it. I dont know anyone who owns a MV yet. At the end of the day it's about preference. Both machines will probably get the same end result.

I'm not "hating on you"
or anything but IMO the mv 8000
is a flowers pice of $hit. THe only thing i like about it is that you can hook up a monitor to it, if you have the 3000 you can hook one up 2.
I tried that mv POS when it came out and hated it....

I'm not "hating on you"
or anything but IMO the mv 8000
is a flowers pice of $hit.


THe only thing i like about it is that you can hook up a monitor to it, if you have the 3000 you can hook one up 2.
I tried that mv POS when it came out and hated it....

I'm not "hating on you"
or anything but IMO the mv 8000
is a flowers pice of $hit.


Why do you feel that way about the MV...I am asking because I really want to hear opinions and what they are based on...


THe only thing i like about it is that you can hook up a monitor to it, if you have the 3000 you can hook one up 2.

HOW?!?!?!?! PLEASE TELL ME>>

I tried that mv POS when it came out and hated it....
??WHY

What about auto slicing...it seems that the MV excels when it comes to working with Loops and as a sampler as it offers key mapping...what do you all think....
thanks.

risri wrote:I'm not "hating on you"
or anything but IMO the mv 8000
is a flowers pice of $hit.


Why do you feel that way about the MV...I am asking because I really want to hear opinions and what they are based on...


THe only thing i like about it is that you can hook up a monitor to it, if you have the 3000 you can hook one up 2.

HOW?!?!?!?! PLEASE TELL ME>>

I tried that mv POS when it came out and hated it....
??WHY

What about auto slicing...it seems that the MV excels when it comes to working with Loops and as a sampler as it offers key mapping...what do you all think....
thanks.

Best piece of advice risri in life anyone can tell you anything you want to hear. You should buy he best gear for you, (Not always the best gear) Your main concerns are ease of use, longevity of the gear, and lastly your budget. Read as much reviews from pro articles on the functions, try out a display model in the shops and window shop for a number of weeks checking each gear until you are comfortable with the gear you are leaning towards. Both are great from the reviews I read but my main interest was the music. As for me I listened to my favorite songs and check out what pieces of gear of the producer whose work I enjoyed used for sequencing those songs. Then practice everyday to bring my skills up to the level of the musican that I want to emulate.

Yo dude, CHILL OUT!
are you trying to start a flame war or somthing?
If you'r that amped up on that roland hype BUY THE $#@!&^% MV8000! This is a M-P-C FORM WE DON'T CARE ABOUT THE WANNA BE MP = MV8000.
And most of us are T-I-R-E-D of this CRAAP clone anyway.You wanna roll with mv gay nation, then you got the wrong form, this is M-P-C LAND.
Do a search in the 3000 part of this form to learn how to hook up you'r monitor to you'r unwanted 3k,
it's a respectible rig you might be giving up on it too soon, MUTI MILLION DOLLAR PRODUCIER'S STILL USE IT, it might be good enough for you, even if you "are geting pro tool's HD". You want to hear opinion's? Well i'll cut you some slack because you got a 3k and i don't want of offend pepole here who rock that joint.IMO YOU SOUND LIKE A SPOILED BRAT WITH TOO MUCH MONEY
THAT THINK'S A MV OR MPC4K IS GONA MAKE YOU A BETTER PRODUCER. Quote
what about auto slicing... it seem's that the mv excels when it come's to working with loop's and as a smpler as it offers key maping what do you all think?
This is n00b talk, it's ok to be a n00b i ain't knocking you on that, but do you even know what key maping or auto slicing is? ME THINK'S NOT.Quote
I bought an mpc 3000 le. So far, i do love it...it is my first hardware sequencer/sampler box and i find it very conducive to creating/composing music.
How long have you had it? A month? 2 week's?
HOW LONG PLEASE TELL ME!?!?!?!?!?!?!
If you'r a gear lust guy, take it from a reformed adict IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE IT'S HOW YOU USE IT!
If you want to spend more money put a zip drive in you'r 3k get a monitor for it, BUT A LEAST GIVE IT A CHANCE............

Yeah, Ill keep that 3000 if I where you. Just get both! It seems like you're a rich fella indeed (you can afford a HD system). Just buy the MV and keep the MPC3000! Sync them all (PT HD, MPC and MV) and youre ready to rock!!

this forum is for exchanging tips and tricks with the 4k ,not debating which unit is better then the 4k.....

WOW?!?!

Raven, there was not one ounce of hostility or negativity in my posts.
I can hardly say the same for your response. Where is the LOVE bro? I am not the one who needs to chill out. I am merely trying to seek out opinions, not blanket statements like "the mv 8000 is a flowers pice of $hit". That is great if you feel that way, but all I asked is if you could please tell me why. I was not challenging you or your opinion...I was asking for the reasons why you feel the way you do,...FOR MY OWN KNOWLEDGE AND BENEFIT. If anything, I came to this forum because I value opinions...any opinions, even yours. But please, it doesnt help me for you to say the MV is crap...just tell me why. That is what I posted for. If you don't want to share your opinions, and what you base them on, then write in your posts "the mv 8000 is a flowers pice of $hit...and dont ask me why". By responding, you show your interest in continuing the dialogue. Or better yet, your statement without explanation serves no purpose so why respond to my asking for your opinions. Sincerely dont waste your time, because I really do appreciate the time people take in forums such as these, and I hate to think that my posting questions pisses you or anyone off and is a waste of time. Time is valuable bro, but so are opinions. On one hand I am told that it doesnt matter what gear you use, but how you use it (which I completely agree with). Then when I present questions about specific gear, those same people act as they are going to war to defend it from my apparent attacks?????? I just dont understand why are you so defensive. I don't get it. And I am not amped over the MV. If I was I would have bought it. I like my 3000 alot (at what point Raven did I imply that I dont want my 3000?). I was just wondering if I would get more out of the 4000 or MV for my applications, and who better to ask than a bunch of users like yourselves at the MPC forum.

Raven you got me all wrong...except for being a newbie...to recording.

A spoiled brat with too much money....LOL


I have played keyboards and guitar since I was a kid. I am now almost 40 years old!!!! I got kids and a mortgage, and I work very hard. I havent gigged in years, but I love music. Along with my family, it is all I have and it makes me really happy to play and compose since my responsiblities dont allow me time to gig. I dont smoke, drink or go out and party with the boys. Recording at home is how I reward myself. I had to set money aside for a long time for my recent purchases. The instruments that I had BEFORE getting into recording at home, I have collected and used since I was young and gigging. If I was rich, I would buy the 4000 and the MV

and give away what I didnt like or need.

But I am not rich, so I do rely upon(and appreciate) all the opinions I can get so that I can make the best purchases for my applications without wasting money that I could put into my kids education fund. I am not trying to be like Dr. Dre or Quincy Jones and get all their gear so I can be great just like them. I am just trying to get my hands on some simple, effective, efficient and versatile gear that I can have some fun with and enjoy making music on. I was so frustated and disenchanted with MOTU Digital Performer, that I didnt even want to sit down and make music. What a waste of money for me. I remember back when I was a kid, I had so much fun with my Jupiter 8 and my 808 drum machine. But now there is so much gear out there that it gets really confusing and forums like this really can help someone like me in making the right purchases if there are people that are willing to offer their time and opinions.
That said, thank you kaotikmuzikproductions, Iceberg-Slim, Blue Haze, and ikke for your helpful opinions.


And sorry Reveal, I didnt realize that this forum was EXCLUSIVELY for exchanging tips and tricks with the 4k. Is there a forum here where my post would be more appropriate? Thanks.

PS Raven...to answer your question

I have only had my 3000 for a couple of weeks now.

You see it is not that hard to answer questions without getting emotional

Have fun man, dont take life so seriously...it goes too fast

Peace all.

I'm a hostile kind of guy and i don't care if people don't like it. So reprinting me post 2 time's was not an act of hostility Who you trying to kid?

HOW!?!?!?!? PLEASE TELL ME>
Demanding an answer in such a short time is hostile. Like I'm suposed to jump whenever some n00b want's a mv vs mpc revue, come on man have some respect for the peopel on here, you'r the new guy right? You know troll's do this kind of suff all the time.

where is the LOVE bro?
It's right

do a scearch in the 3000 part of this form to learn how to hook up you'r unwanted 3000 to a monitor.And here

It's a respectable rig you might be giving up on it too soon. and here

IT'S NOT WHAT YOU HAVE IT'S HOW YOU USE IT.And here

If you want to spend more money put a zip drive in it and get a monitor for it.[quote]by responding you show you'r intrest in continuing the dialogue. On this dead subject? Where did you come up with that one? You know for a non hostile kind of guy you shure make a lot of bad assumptions.So 2 week's and you'r ready to dump the 3k huh. To me that just shows you'r lack of smart's. I have been making music for 20 years too, and one thing i have learend is that you have to stick with you'r instrument if you'r ever going to be any good at. Well same go's for the mp
you have to stick with it, read the boring ass manual study it practice it, play it. And that's what i sugjest you do

^^^^^ ^^^^^^
HALF A$$ED, I KNOW

risri wrote:And sorry Reveal, I didnt realize that this forum was EXCLUSIVELY for exchanging tips and tricks with the 4k. Is there a forum here where my post would be more appropriate? Thanks..

soz man that was a bit off point!

Its not strictly for the 4k,

im just a grumpy old 4k user ':lol:',and dont like reading about 4k vs this and that...


Good luck with whatever road you go down.


R

The MV is a great tool if your looking for a All in one unit. Perfect for a someone with no other gear. It has a mixdown deck as well as Audio tracks. It dose everything except spit lyrics over your beats.

But The 4000 is geared towards being the center of a bigger studio. Something to control all the gear its surrounds. It not a JACK OF ALL TRADES like the MV(MASTER OF NONE), but its the best HARDWARE seq sampler out there.
With 96k 24BIT sampling this can't be messed with. Although you will see alot of disagreements on diffrect boards.
If you are looking for an investment in a future piece of gear the MPC4K is a great purshase. The MV will end up on ebay in a year when your trying to upgrade to the MV-X or whatever they release thats 24 bit color screen all the latest Roland gizmos.
When it comes down to it both will work, but for the extra cash get the MPC
You'll see why its a world class machine.