Diggin a waste of cash

yo jpeg, some records aren't even on the net do u ever worry about missing out on those sounds on records like that?

It really all depends on where your at mentally in regards to creating this music. Numbers are only important to corporations and the artists whose main concern is a check, but VMA awards and sales don't dictate quality. Like I said before, if simply making the music is the major concern, then appreciating the craft of digging is not important. Like your Ice-T/Vanilla Ice comparison, I agree, I remember the Vanilla Ice album..I actually still have my "Rolling in my 5.0 cassingle somewhere, but none of this is important to those that simply want to improve their self worth. It took me YEARS to realize I was thinking all wrong about this music. The truth is that while we all think, "one day, we're gonna make it" we have actually already "made it!" We make music all the time on here (more bad than good.) Now, it's time to improve YOU. How can I make me better is the question we all need to ask ourselves. How can I take me to that next level? Simply jackin' the newest hottest style isn't cool, but that's how folks do things nowadays...isn't that kinda wack?? If you ever look at some of the true underground heads (where the real music is) they don't care if they sell one or a million cd's; the music HAS to have a purpose. If you look at real diggers, they may pay a couple thousand for a single 45..others like myself cringe at paying more than $3.00! haha (I like to bux stacks of wax for $20!) This is the same for any scenario. Some people are proud if they build a shed, other folks may not get satisfaction until they take architecture to an unthinkable level, but at the same time, having an episode on YoMtv cribs, (showing your clean condo) will get a better reaction from people than the architect (that got his hands dirty) that unveils the colossal masterpiece to the general public!

roxstar well said... that got me thinking.

...Some people are proud if they build a shed, other folks may not get satisfaction until they take architecture to an unthinkable level, but at the same time, having an episode on YoMtv cribs, (showing your clean condo) will get a better reaction from people than the architect (that got his hands dirty) that unveils the colossal masterpiece to the general public!....

well spoken roxstar! i feel the same way about this artform. the scene here if follow the leader, never be one. and it sucks cuz u got ppl like me that dig and build on what i have rather than mimic anotha cats shyt like my home town does. at the same time these same cats here my shyt and be like "thats some real hip hop shit man thats tight but aint nobody gonna listen."

thats whats killin us cuz all the stuff on the net has already been flipped thats y its on the net! no one has any ambition and thats what diggin gives you. beat contests and shyt is cool, whatever if they supply the sample but do most cats think theyll get far if they continue sampling from the same sources?

diggin feels better cuz u feel closer to hip hop

sorry for straying a lil but theres soooo much id like to say...

roxstar wrote:It really all depends on where your at mentally in regards to creating this music. Numbers are only important to corporations and the artists whose main concern is a check, but VMA awards and sales don't dictate quality. Like I said before, if simply making the music is the major concern, then appreciating the craft of digging is not important. Like your Ice-T/Vanilla Ice comparison, I agree, I remember the Vanilla Ice album..I actually still have my "Rolling in my 5.0 cassingle somewhere, but none of this is important to those that simply want to improve their self worth. It took me YEARS to realize I was thinking all wrong about this music. The truth is that while we all think, "one day, we're gonna make it" we have actually already "made it!" We make music all the time on here (more bad than good.) Now, it's time to improve YOU. How can I make me better is the question we all need to ask ourselves. How can I take me to that next level? Simply jackin' the newest hottest style isn't cool, but that's how folks do things nowadays...isn't that kinda wack?? If you ever look at some of the true underground heads (where the real music is) they don't care if they sell one or a million cd's; the music HAS to have a purpose. If you look at real diggers, they may pay a couple thousand for a single 45..others like myself cringe at paying more than $3.00! haha (I like to bux stacks of wax for $20!) This is the same for any scenario. Some people are proud if they build a shed, other folks may not get satisfaction until they take architecture to an unthinkable level, but at the same time, having an episode on YoMtv cribs, (showing your clean condo) will get a better reaction from people than the architect (that got his hands dirty) that unveils the colossal masterpiece to the general public!

dang u on fire

DirtyKics wrote:...Some people are proud if they build a shed, other folks may not get satisfaction until they take architecture to an unthinkable level, but at the same time, having an episode on YoMtv cribs, (showing your clean condo) will get a better reaction from people than the architect (that got his hands dirty) that unveils the colossal masterpiece to the general public!....

well spoken roxstar! i feel the same way about this artform. the scene here if follow the leader, never be one. and it sucks cuz u got ppl like me that dig and build on what i have rather than mimic anotha cats shyt like my home town does. at the same time these same cats here my shyt and be like "thats some real hip hop **** man thats tight but aint nobody gonna listen."

thats whats killin us cuz all the stuff on the net has already been flipped thats y its on the net! no one has any ambition and thats what diggin gives you. beat contests and shyt is cool, whatever if they supply the sample but do most cats think theyll get far if they continue sampling from the same sources?

diggin feels better cuz u feel closer to hip hop

sorry for straying a lil but theres soooo much id like to say...

word...i can feel that.

just keep doing what you doing the followers will come. be true to yourself, your an artrist paint what you paint it will get better in time

Okay , I didn't know you were in Austrailia and all that . The fact that vinyl may be expensive in your country just might be an opportunity for you. You might have to go the independant route and hit up peoples houses / yard sales etc. Run an ad in the paper . Doesn't your counrty have thrift store's or something like that ? There are plenty of ways besides going into a "record store " to get records . Now if your just not big on vinyl then thats something nobody can make you get into . But just say that - that you want to go digital , cause at a couple hundred records I was still in my first year , maybe year and a half . You can get 50 to 60 in a old school crate , so thats like 5 crates at the most . None of us really worry about running out of space , the time is where you get your stripes and you only pay big money if you want to . I got on the greyhound and took the 4+ hour trip to NY in 98" just to go to The Sound Library and A-1 . And over time , I've found alot of those records on the wall , or the ones that you only find on those deep compilations for like a $1 So what's really good ?

not worried about stuff thats not on-line cos not every record shop u got to has all the dope records when i go to blogs i aint spending no cash so will listen to wider range of music and also will find them rare records that i would not purchase if i saw em while out digging cos they'd likely be more the 30 quid.

when i used to dig neva really spent more then 20 but i got to a stage where my eye/ear for music became such that most of the stuff i was finding was not suitable for my taste in sampling.

im more focused on the end product now rather then the diggin sometimes u can get losty in finding the rare shit i just spend the little time i have after work to focus on actually flipping the sounds available and listening to what i got rather then searching for new dig spots cos ive been thru that phase shit no longer appeals.

trust no matter how much time u spend out there for certain someone has found that reacord and flipped something off it bare in mind there are dude like d.i.t.c, pete roc, madlib, supreme and the like been digging for 10-15 years even 20.

listen to deep crate and all them record diggers that source vinyl like kon and amir they dig for a livin trust they found all that shit its been used dont decive urself.

the trick is using what u got and putting it together in novel ways and putting sounds from different records toigether to create tones and vibes that resonate with ur style and that u like.

"diggin feels better cuz u feel closer to hip hop"

Exactly. Diggin' is a part of production. Personal speaking, I've done everything except spit lyrics, but if it wasn't for early rap music, I would have never started breakdancing. Breakdancing led to writing graffiti. This led to Djing, and that led to production. Production then got me into Diggin'. My point is that while most guys may say, "ohh, I have beatblock, what should I do" most real heads will have answers like, listen to other music, buy some records for inspiration, Chop up some drums, or learn something new with the equipment you already have. Experiment! These answers are all derived of "diggin." We buy records just because of how it may look without hearing it. We can go months without making beats and be satisfied with finding new gems. After a while, we may find something SO DOPE that it's disrespectful to chop it up!! Trust me, some records are meant to be listened to. I have some records that I don't think I can do any justice, so I leave em alone. Most guys that have beat block are used to making 10-20 beats a day. The process may begin with a standard routine (hi-hats at 1/8 or 1/16 haha) while using stock keyboard sounds, and as soon as a new piece of equipment comes out, they HAVE to buy it because after 2+ years, their normal routine has become mundane. Their $2000 Motif is suddenly boring. They start to blame their MPC6000XL for not having enough editing abilities as their 8 core Mac with Protools and Reasons. Experimenting doesn't just come with diggin' though. If you don't dig, then like I said before, get deeper with yourself in whatever way it takes. Learn to play keys, pick up an instrument, learn how to program a synth..I dunno, but diggin' led me to other avenues in production. Just do more to learn more. Do whatever it takes.

roxstar wrote:"diggin feels better cuz u feel closer to hip hop"

Exactly. Diggin' is a part of production. Personal speaking, I've done everything except spit lyrics, but if it wasn't for early rap music, I would have never started breakdancing. Breakdancing led to writing graffiti. This led to Djing, and that led to production. Production then got me into Diggin'. My point is that while most guys may say, "ohh, I have beatblock, what should I do" most real heads will have answers like, listen to other music, buy some records for inspiration, Chop up some drums, or learn something new with the equipment you already have. Experiment! These answers are all derived of "diggin." We buy records just because of how it may look without hearing it. We can go months without making beats and be satisfied with finding new gems. After a while, we may find something SO DOPE that it's disrespectful to chop it up!! Trust me, some records are meant to be listened to. I have some records that I don't think I can do any justice, so I leave em alone. Most guys that have beat block are used to making 10-20 beats a day. The process may begin with a standard routine (hi-hats at 1/8 or 1/16 haha) while using stock keyboard sounds, and as soon as a new piece of equipment comes out, they HAVE to buy it because after 2+ years, their normal routine has become mundane. Their $2000 Motif is suddenly boring. They start to blame their MPC6000XL for not having enough editing abilities as their 8 core Mac with Protools and Reasons. Experimenting doesn't just come with diggin' though. If you don't dig, then like I said before, get deeper with yourself in whatever way it takes. Learn to play keys, pick up an instrument, learn how to program a synth..I dunno, but diggin' led me to other avenues in production. Just do more to learn more. Do whatever it takes.

these days kids just want it handed to them so they dont have to put in work.

served on a silver platter...then work with the black platter

no denying digging gives inspiration but i do that online so that i can save time and make sure most of time is spent working on tracks when i used to go out and look for record sometimes that became a distraction from actually making beats which is my primary intention.

ill mess with any record what ever sounds dope not say everything u mess with will reach a public ear so its not like everything u do is put before peeps for scrutiny.

I used to have many of the views that u have expressed that u have to do things the hard/slow way and that certain records u should not sample but thats just a culural thing that was based on rules that limit.

times have change u can still keep the same essense whilst taking advantage of the current climate. if i get a lack of insipration i can go online and get a whole bunch of new albums in 10 mins im still checking for lables, producers and years i just se it as an on-line record shop cos when u go out to a store its still dependedn on what recors that shop owner has sourced at the time.

online it dependent on what records have been uploaded sometimes on blogs they put sidenotes telling u the kind of sounds u might find so u can share info which is what the legends did back in theday its all in how u use whats out there.

Mr Guiness wrote:Okay , I didn't know you were in Austrailia and all that . The fact that vinyl may be expensive in your country just might be an opportunity for you.

cool. you are right, im using my head more and finding way more avenues to buy them and at better prices. thanks man.

"these days kids just want it handed to them so they dont have to put in work."

Which also explains the real reason why new skool Hip-Hop sucks. The fake niggums are trying so hard to be real.
I'll stop now before I get too deep and completely off subject.

roxstar wrote:"these days kids just want it handed to them so they dont have to put in work."

Which also explains the real reason why new skool Hip-Hop sucks. The fake niggums are trying so hard to be real.
I'll stop now before I get too deep and completely off subject.

man u got beats! just heard ur page...nice work man.

I also read ur article about no one wanting to pay for beats, from your experience what do u think is a realistic asking price for a beat that people are actually willing to pay on myspace? (my beats are dope so the quality is there, im just worried no one is willing to pay a decent price on myspace)

im u dude got a nice record collection adn make dope beats but the bottom line is u could make just as dope by downloading records online cos its the same record.

if u wanna spent time and money digging by all means dod i did for a while now i dont care to waste time and money on that aspect of production.