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I find it hard to believe that there is a rule that says you can't sample a sample. What's the difference between sampling something that someone else has already sampled or sampling a live drummer or better yet sampling from a song that someone else has already sample from? To follow this line of thinking to it's logical conclusion, we would all have to give up our samplers and only play live drums. And we would not be allowed to play a beat that someone else has already played before. I don't mean to offend but, I think that is absurd.

Not sampling a sample is one of the unwritten rules in hiphop. I guess you can see it as a way from preventing sampled music to turn stale too quickly since everybody samples everybody samples everybody samples... This is of course no law so do as you want but don't expect to get much props for sampling a drumbreak from a hiphop record as opposed to finding your own orignal drumbreak that you flip and make your 'own'.

Expert Witness wrote:

Expert Witness wrote:

DA RIPPER wrote:so what !!! i just sampled it and ill probablly do it agin

and guess what i still feel good about myself


and there are no rules to this game

NOW TRY TO COME TAKE MY MPC

Thank You! Thank You! Anyone who calls themself a fan of Doom ought to know "I chopped these drums off Truly Yours, G Rap"
Enough said.

First of all, I love Doom's stuff, he's by far my favourite artist at the moment!

Secondly,
What Doom does in some songs is he takes old-school rap beats (just the drums), and uses them as a foundation for the track and builds the track around it. It's kind of his trademark. But as you can see he does it in a way that is very obvious and you can always hear where they are from. In this case he even says the name of the song he sampled.. But he doesn't do this to jack the beats, no. It's his way of paying tribute to the heads that came before him, and he makes it clear!

Most of the sounds used in those old beats are just normal drum machine sounds that everybody has access to. Doom sampling them is NOT the same thing as you sampling his record for single drum hits that he has spent time digging, sounds that you would probably never find yourself! Because some of the kicks and snares he has are just bananas!! Peep "Who do you think I am" from Operation: Doomsday to see what I mean! There is this clean kick - snare - kick - kick - snare pattern in the beginning of the song that just punches you in the gut!


As he says in "Con Carne" "I dedicate this mix to Subroc, the hiphop Hendrix". He took the drums from Just-Ice's "Latoya", and the main sample is the long break in Sade's "Is it a crime", so it is like as if he was at a club spinning records, just mixing a couple of records together. I know this sounds like a stupid thing to say, but Doom is probably the most old-school artist around these days!

When I posted i just wanted to get an idea of his effects and stuff and maybe see if anyone had any tips to help recreate a similar sound not his exact same sound.Each producer has his own sound which is unique as fingerprints.And you know you can't take someone else's fingerprint.I give mad props to everyone out there doin their own thing but at the same time,for anyone who thinks hip hop is not a sample of a sample is out their mind.We all sample to create tracks unless you play all your instruments used in production.And i haven't met a producer who does that yet.All we do is recycle and add our own feel to it.That's hip hop.Peace

stryke wrote:When I posted i just wanted to get an idea of his effects and stuff and maybe see if anyone had any tips to help recreate a similar sound not his exact same sound.Each producer has his own sound which is unique as fingerprints.And you know you can't take someone else's fingerprint.I give mad props to everyone out there doin their own thing but at the same time,for anyone who thinks hip hop is not a sample of a sample is out their mind.We all sample to create tracks unless you play all your instruments used in production.And i haven't met a producer who does that yet.All we do is recycle and add our own feel to it.That's hip hop.Peace

Imagine if everybody sampled lil jon, then claimed it as their own. It just wouldnt work, so even though you can cross some boundries, it doesnt apply to them all! so sampling a sample might be acceptable in some instances, like, a drum sound or something(only if you flip it afterwords).....sampling a whole beat, or main sample is just plain cheating(referring to someone elses hiphop song).

The whole point of diggin is finding your own shit.....and also part of it, is finding what someone else has...but knowing when to use it if you do. Part of finding your own shit, is also not knowing what someone else has used, so in a case you find the same sample pete rock has used, you still flip it your own way because you dont have a guilty concious, and have the satisfaction of knowing you found it for your self.

if i come accross a sample "i know for a fact" that someone else used, i probably wont use it, unless i really know how to flip it better than they did. I GAURENTee ive sampled something someone else has, but i dont know it, and i dont flip it the same way, but thats the point, if you know it, then you are biting. IF i get a sample the same time as someone else, and dont know it, its not biting.

But when it all comes down to it, whether i use the same samples as someone else, i always get them from my own source, not thier own song! thats biting and cheating, and lame.

There is a differance between sampling a 70s break, and someone elses hiphop song. its called paying dues.

i just think its corny. make ur own beats or at least use sample cds to get ya drums. Like jackin a kick from "hypnotize" would be lame. I just dont get down like that.

I'm not sayin sample a whole sample.I mean as far as kicks and maybe even a break or something.Most of the time i use blue note and older stuff.I just respect Doom and those cats for doing something different and new.I like the robotic type cadence he has and want to come up with my own similar sound but signature sound as well.I would never sample a sample of something i knew was out there.I want to create hip hop and i know what the differnece is in payin dues and biting.Hip Hop is Hip Hop. Peace

I'm not sayin sample a whole sample.I mean as far as kicks and maybe even a break or something

I would never sample a sample of something i knew was out there.

Am I slow or something because I don't get it...
Please elaborate!

What i'm sayin is like the melody of a track like nas or jada.Something you can't really make your own.I'm new to the mpc world but i know there are ways you can take a sample and manipulate it to change it completely and turn it into your own.Like i said before i don't know anyone who uses and ceates their own loops and breaks and kicks.We all sample from somewhere.Ya dig?....peace

Yeah I'm not trying to beef or anything like that...

But it is generally considered to be weak to sample from peeps who sample.

Kind of like stealing a rhyme from another rapper, you know?


But open your eyes, clean your ears, and start looking for your own sounds. There are millions of records out there, and there are more good sounds out there that nobody has used than you can imagine. That sh*t is real rewarding when you find that one fat kick from that awful cheesy 70's rock record, and make it your own..

oh no don't get me wrong I'm not trying to beef either.I understand where you're comin from competely.Like i said i use alot of blue note stuff and alo of other things cats wouldn't even imagine.I was just tryin to get some tips on Doom's robotic type sound.Maybe i just worded this whole thing wrong when i first posted,i'm not sure but i respect everyone's input.And like i said i'm new to the world of the mpc.So keep the knowledge comin.....Peace

-get a drum set or give credit-

robot snares


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Thanx.And don't worry i give credit when it's due.Peace

cheech What Doom does in some songs is he takes old-school rap beats (just the drums), and uses them as a foundation for the track and builds the track around it.

Check out some of those old rap records.

Check out sounds from some these vintage drum machines:

Oberheim DX & DMX
Roland TR808, TR707 & TR909

You can find a lot of them & similar ones as kits of wav. files on:
http://www.hollowsun.com/

Keep the quantize on your MPC really tight.