NI Maschine

i really hope they give it a strong Stand Alone sequence and let you host other VSTi or at least let you install other NI Synths/samplers...

im deff saving my money for this... this and the KORE 2 is gonna be a killer...

My opinion is mixed on this unit. After you get over the fact that it is not stand alone you realize that it'is still tight. This has the potential to change the game if they improve it. Part of the reason that people prefer the MPC over software has just been resolved. I don't mind software or software controllers. What I always hated is that they have been disconnected and awkward to use compared to dedicated hardware. This solves most of that by filling in the missing link with a dedicated controller that gives bidirectional feedback on the screen and dedicated buttons with labels. Also, for the first time we have software beat boxes that actually SAMPLE.

They left out time stretch abilities and other sample editing features from Kontakt 3. Maschine also has no groove quantize or quantize templates. My last gripe is that they did not give it VSTi hosting like Kore2 so you could sequence all in machine like mentioned above. If it hosted VSTi like Kore2 and had the Motu BPM engine It would be perfect.

It looks like the controller is the same as the padKontrol with more buttons and the screens. I bet it is made by the same company. If so, these pads are the absolute best for triggering accurately. It will also function as a controller for other instruments and hosts. It even has an app that allows you to easily map the controls to different plug ins similar to automap.

I honestly wish that the Maschine controller was made for BPM and that it could host VSTi and fX. That would be the ultimate. I was looking at the MOTU BPM and was thinking that the software is better than maschine as a sampler/ drum machine. The UVI engine also sounds better than the sample engine on NI products. I know some people will say that they are the same because they are digital but that is a big myth. These samplers use different trade offs and tricks for the sample playback engine along with different filters and envelopes etc. They don't sound the same. The NI samplers makes samples sound thin compared to Guru and the new UVI engines to me.

On the other hand, Live 8 with the new Akia contoller is sick. That with BPM would be all I need plus a padKontrol. No more hardware beat box.

kneebone77 wrote:Onomatopoeia.

Now make it rain on me.

A STAR for you sir!

they got videos up now if yall wanna check it out: http://www.native-instruments.com/newreleases/#/en/products/producer/maschine/videos/?content=101

here is somemore
http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2009/01/ ... roove-box/
this shit is dope

Looking at all the videos I have to say it does look dope, but I'd rather save the cash and put it toward the Linn Drum 2.

Upright wrote:Looking at all the videos I have to say it does look dope, but I'd rather save the cash and put it toward the Linn Drum 2.

Me too.

Linn and co have nothing to worry about with the other products that are being released which are either totally dependant on software or appeal to a younger crowd.

that looks so ill


i dont agree with the thread starter at all, i think your idea is idiotic

Upright wrote:Looking at all the videos I have to say it does look dope, but I'd rather save the cash and put it toward the Linn Drum 2.

With the prospected release date of this thing you might end up spending your savings on building your retirement home!


I think NI put good thought in Machine. It has good features with a good workflow and loads of people who are doing mixing and such "in th box" will probably take a good look at it. I would, if I was working with it!

Coz wrote:Me too.

Linn and co have nothing to worry about with the other products that are being released which are either totally dependant on software or appeal to a younger crowd.

Very true,.. I can't wait to see the finished version of the Linn Drum 2.

For me it appeals on a couple of levels.
It can sample and chop quickly to the pads.
Its got a massive sound bank that you can take or leave but its always handy to have some basses lying around.
The price point in relation to features/spec compared to an MPC is very desirable.
Im thinking why buy an MPC other than all in one hardware?
Ok so put the controller on your lap and leave the laptop under the sofa or bed ect and whats the difference?
I think not only the uncha crowd will love it.
How live and a control pad can work as quick (which is the whole point) I dont know.
April is not that far away.

The price of this thing is the same as half the second hand groove boxes out there, including the ASR and XL. If you add up the cost of a dedicated PC/Mac to work with and keep safe from fukcing up, this thing is way too expensive for the average market it's supposed to target. Don't get misleaded by those whistles, this is still just a controller.

every new concept has its + and -

i tried a lot of groove boxes, and in conclusion i must say that

the big brands are always trying to invent the same thing.

for ex.elctribes very good concept but limited, roland mc808 super sliders, bad timing

and other issues......

maybe they release crippeled concepts to force the buyer to get the next

hardware release...??

the mpc concept is one of the continuest evolution of a basic idea(roger linn)

where i see a big profit of past releases.

a big luck is of course jj os pushing this far more forward.

new brands have also the problem to be too complicate

mpc using in the base is very simple what makes it extreme musical

and improves the workflow

daw concepts with all its goods tend to distract u from makin music bekause of the so

multiple possibilities.

mpc brings it(in question groove) simply to the point.

kebzer wrote:The price of this thing is the same as half the second hand groove boxes out there, including the ASR and XL. If you add up the cost of a dedicated PC/Mac to work with and keep safe from fukcing up, this thing is way too expensive for the average market it's supposed to target. Don't get misleaded by those whistles, this is still just a controller.

I like when people try to add the cost of a PC/Mac in reference to a new piece of software/midi controller as if people dont already own a PC/Mac. That is the reason why these products are getting made. This isn't 2001, computer music is a popular as ever and to the people who are already knee deep in their DAW setup, the only added cost is the Maschine itself. I am willing to bet no more than 15% of this forum (or any music production forum) DOES NOT record to a DAW. Fact is, most songs are not completed within the mpc/mv8800/ASR anymore. Now, tell me why you wouldn't market to DAW users.

This thing is genius. I posted a similar idea when the MPC 5000 came out and this is the type of thinking that changes the game.

1. This DOES NOT need to be a standalone vst host. Why would it? Again, almost everyone already has a vst host (DAW) in their setup. Redundancy is not necessary as it only drives up cost.
2. For the samplers out there, do you know how much time this saves? There is no need to: record into mpc>chop sample>record back into sequence on the DAW>export. All you do is sample through your interface. Boom!...its on the Maschine>chop>export the track (same as a vst). I aint even gunna mention the cats who (for God knows why) record into the mpc>export to pc to chop in recycle>export back into mpc>etc... And syncing your mpc to protools or whatever will be some shit you aint gotta worry about any more.
3. The way NI's software interface lets you organize your drums is a dream come true. You should watch the videos if your not clear on this. Choosing drum sounds for layering can take forever if you dont already have your kits setup how you like.
4. In one of the videos, they show how easy it is to switch between 'groovebox' mode and 'midi controller'. I can sell my stiff padded TriggerFinger...

Honestly...im sold on this but the only thing im worried about is how the pads feel.

1. This DOES NOT need to be a standalone vst host. Why would it? Again, almost everyone already has a vst host (DAW) in their setup. Redundancy is not necessary as it only drives up cost.

Because of its pattern based sequencer with dedicated hands on control. Typical DAW sequencers are linear and if you don't have a mackie control or something already it's not intuitive to operate the sequencer from a mouse for some. The Maschine sequencer functions are rendered near useless to me because you have to use your DAW sequencer anyway to complete the song with other sounds sources.

Imagine if they released an MPC with NO midi outs! It would fail because half the appeal is the integration of a master midi sequencer with the sampler from one central environment.